Victoria, the place to be. WHY?

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Premier Bracksie instituted the above phrase when he took over from the irrasible Jeff Kennett and then set about to sloganise everything.

Returning from the lovely Accessible Outback of South Australia yesterday arvo it struck us getting across the border how we have signs to confuse everywhere along the highway. There was a litter of signs for the first 500 metres or so after getting back to the Taxation State. I had been keeping well below the 110 kph limit along the Sturt so I could preserve what was in the tank and did get about 1200 kms for the tank too. Minding my own business getting close to Mildura we came across the truck monitoring station which was open.

At that point there was a "Road Work 80" sign followed quickly by a "Road Work 60" and then apparently very quickly by a "Road Work 40" that no driver saw as everyone was being stopped by police and fortunately warned. It really made us think Victoria was no longer the Place to be. Police pulled up a stream of vehicles over the 'speed limit' but I believe the limit signs were too close to be acceptible for a court and were positioned for entrapment. They just wanted to make a point . There was apparently NO ROADWORK there.
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Reply By: scoof - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 10:58

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 10:58
Sounds like someone had nothing better to do than make a point.????
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Reply By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 11:51

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 11:51
The only thing good about Victoria is it keeps the Tasmanians out of NSW and SA.....

KIDDING.... ;)

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 16:23

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 16:23
No you were'nt, we both know it's true LOLOL
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 02:01

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 02:01
I once hear that Tasmania was getting closer to Victoria every year

because Victoria SUCKES LOL

Sorry

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 02:49

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 02:49
hahahahaha Richard, you do have a sense of humour.

Happy Birthday by the way, even if we don't see eye to eye.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 12:57

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 12:57
Thanks

I think I drink to much

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Reply By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 11:53

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 11:53
The only thing good about Victoria is it keeps the Tasmanians out of NSW and SA...

KIDDING..... ;)

They are all Mexicans with Beanies anyway if you ask me....
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Reply By: Member - Sharyn M (VIC) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 12:02

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 12:02
G'day John,

Good to hear your home safely. Down here its been a disasterous couple of weeks on the roads in sth west Vic, so police presence may be about to get worse. Anyway John I still think we live in a great place, politicians aside! lol.
Did you have a good trip?

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 15:59

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 15:59
Hi Sharyn, We had heard on the news about the dreadful one South of Lismore and had crossed it just a few weeks ago after not seeing it in a while. Heather remarked at the time about the way you come onto it, and that was without fog.

I think the current government is driving things a dreadful way in the nanny state, but they are forgetting to upgrade our rural infrastructure but are more interested in the circuses and tell us they are listening to us. Our crop of Western Victorian MPs aren't being listened to.

We had a good trip thank you. Look forward to catching up with with hubby Des when he gets back home for more than a fleeting visit
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 12:11

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 12:11
Glad you made it home ok. Did you receive a warning too? although I'm sure you were on your best behaviour.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 15:52

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 15:52
Thanks for the morning tea on Thursday mate. I phoned and spoke to your workmate's brother as we headed South from Mildura. I am sure I was on my best behaviour too but as I said it appeared entrapment was meant. hhehe. Please say hello to Mrs Lexic for us, but guess you did on Thursday.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 13:20

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 13:20
Yesterday in the middle of the day, on one of the Melbourne freeways, I drove through two sets of "roadworks" located about 500m apart on the same carriageway, two groups of people were pruning the trees on the central reservation of the freeway. Quite sensibly they had speed limit signs out to slow the traffic down, in both cases the outside lane of the two lane carriageway was closed. As far as I could tell each set of roadworks presented an identical hazard so perhaps someone could explain to me why the first set had a speed limit of 60kph and the second set had a speed limit of 40kph?

Far too often (especially in the country) I see roadwork speed limit signs badly placed, nobody working on the road and no apparent hazard to anyone - and they wonder why we often ignore them!?

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 18:29

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 18:29
As one of those idiots that set up traffic control from time to time, the 60KPH restriction is often used to slow traffic for merging lanes where as the 40 could be set out to slow the traffic enough to stop it completely especially if machinery had to block a lane tempory or there was a possibility of a tree branch falling over the lane. Without actually seeing the job or the sign setup it is possible they simply just run out of the appropiate signs & used what they had:-) Although there are guidelines for setting out signs there are so many different variations in the jobs & traffic conditions there will rarely be the same set of signs used. It is simple though............if it says 40 you drive at 40, if it says 60 then drive at 60. Don't concern yourself with why & never ignore them as we guys on the stop go bats have traffic infringment notices we can send into the police:-)
Cheers Craig...........
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 08:04

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 08:04
I understand what you say above about the 60 and 40 uses however as, I tried to make clear, these were two identical sets of work on the same stretch of road about 500m apart and should have been speed limited at the same level. It is this kind of inconsistency which leads people to pay less respect to road work speed limits than they otherwise would.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 16:02

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 16:02
Mike, I observe the same rediculaous situations everywhere round this state. We are to account for it though even if they are completely rediculously placed, just because they are signs.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 08:42

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 08:42
Mike they probably didnt take the 40k signs to the other worksite
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 14:10

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 14:10
Take notice of the Vic number plates. They either say

" Victoria, the place on the move"

or

"Victoria, The place to be"

It sure is the place on the move, they are all moving up here or Qld, and if its the place to be, why are they all moving up here.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 16:03

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 16:03
Another Vic departing soon, too....

Combining the phrases, "Victoria, on the move to the place to be"

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 17:39

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 17:39
lol, I don't think too many move to NSW, QLD is considered the retirement village and why not both states are winners, QLD gets the economic boost it needs and Vic gets rid of the old wood.
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Reply By: Robin - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 14:57

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 14:57
Its the place to be because we still have a lot more real tracks than any other state
to drive in, even some of our dessert tracks are pretty good.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 16:33

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 16:33
Just about everyone likes to rubbish others from other states from time to time.
I guess it's just that old Aussie humour.
The Sand Gropers "hate" everyone from the east.
South Australians dislike Victorians who in turn dislike New South Welshmen who in turn dislike those both above and below them.
Tasmanians aren't disliked by anyone because there are on an Island and Queenslanders just don't give a toss about anyone.
Not sure about the Territorians. (both NT and ACT)

But you know what?

All teasing and slanging aside, we are all lucky because we live in the greatest and luckiest damn Country on God's earth.

Geez, the holiday must have really affected me:-)
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Follow Up By: Muddies Doe(Trippn) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 21:15

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 21:15
Hi Sand Man

Great sum up there!

Cya
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 21:28

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 21:28
Fair call Sandie,

I haven't found too many places that I don't like.

Shepparton, Townsville and West Wyalong don't do much for me. But if they are the worst places in Australia, IMO, it's not a bad place to live. FFS, I even spent 3 months in Parramatta and that wasn't too bad.

My personal choice would be Glenelg, but I've only visited there, not lived in the place.

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Reply By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 22:57

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 22:57
John, Nice that you got home safe and sound. I'm surprised the coppers didn't give you a ticket for having your spotties wired to the indicator circuit or is that some earthing fault.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Friday, May 26, 2006 at 22:58

Friday, May 26, 2006 at 22:58
Hmm, I just noticed that Sandman has the same mechanic as you...lol
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 16:08

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 16:08
Heather was more worried about the visible mapping screen or the tyres that are a little bigger than standard now. I think they were making a point about roadwork signs and that failure to observe them could mean loss of licence.

The issues I would have raised if they had proceeded was the close proximity of the signs, not allowing time to slow down - nearly to the extent of emergency braking!

As for Sandman's electrics, I thought that was the standard enhancement for a Jack. I had to work the software for mine...
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 13:40

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 13:40
I guess one reason that I can think of as Victoria being a place not to be, is having a soft, indecisive government that spends more on consultants than they do on infrastructure. (speed cameras excepted)

But all that aside, one thing I that blew me away on our last trip was camping in the dunes at Big Billy Bore in the Big Desert/Wyperfield National Park, then the next night on the beach at Portland.

As someone else pointed out we have a pretty good slice of the High Country as well!
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 16:11

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 16:11
Here, here, Shaker on the "is having a soft, indecisive government that spends more on consultants than they do on infrastructure" I agree about all that and the other comments about places too.
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Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 17:08

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 17:08
I am one of those people that do notice, with an ironic smile, the signs at the borders of both NSW and Victoria.

The first one usually says (and rightly so) "Welcome to NSW" or "Welcome to Victoria". Then as John alludes to, for the next 500 yards you are subjected to almost a public flogging of signs proclaiming the dire consequences of even THINKING about doing anything slightly naughty!

HUGE signs proclaiming Speed Camera enforcement, Red light cameras, roadworks limits, seatbelt laws, littering, fratenising with the sheep. Almost makes you sad you crossed the border!

I don't actually have intentions of DOING any of these things (ok - except that speeding ticket 2 years ago) but those signs are so IN YOUR FACE that you wonder just what sort of place our largest states have become.

What happened to just a friendly Welcome sign????

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 17:48

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 17:48
I don't think thgere is a welcome mat to Victoria Muddy. There are lots of protective signs about as Nanny always would proclaim as we were naughty. Even "Trees close to Road" is a sign we laugh about here. I thought that was immediatly apparent as one drove along our lovlier roads.

The "Fraternising with Sheep" one is for our Eastern States people from over the ditch., whose biting to odd raw leg was apparent when they visit.

Good to see your posts mate, have not seen too many lately, I guess someone else may be keeping you occupied ;-)
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Follow Up By: Muddies Doe(Trippn) - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 18:08

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 18:08
Hi John

Why is it I get all the balme for HIS laziness?
LOL
My question would have be.......why did he mention the fraternising with sheep???

Cya
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Follow Up By: Muddies Doe(Trippn) - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 18:10

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 18:10
Hi John

Funny thing is......now I come to think of it.......he loves Lamb a lot!

Cya
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 19:42

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 19:42
I've forgotten a lot of signs I've seen around this country since arriving here many years ago, I can forget the official ones that say do this don't do that but the one that really sticks in my mind as a new immigrant is the one that after crossing from Vic into SA proclaimed "KEEP OUT VIC's

hahhaa, good work crows, no wonder that state needs all the help it can get.

I have no issue with sheep, I have found the Australian variety to be very dirty a consequence of the lack of green grass in the paddocks.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 23:34

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 23:34
Think it's the green grass that makes em dirty but guess you could find mulesed ones in Oz Ray. They would be cleaner round the rear end.

Trippin, I didn't accuse you of causing his laziness, just keeping him occupied ;-) You better keep him from the lambs though.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 08:46

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 08:46
Fraternising with sheep? hahah you must have driven in thru NSW...... The only welcome mat worth seeing is the Welcome Map of Tassie.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:21

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:21
Bonz, do you find those welcoming maps wherever you go round Tassie? I am not acquainted with seeing them on my trips there, well not that I can remember. LOL
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:24

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:24
John I always take one with me in case I am lost
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:48

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:48
You mean on the laptop or PDA?
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:40

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:40
ON the passenger seat
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Follow Up By: Muddies Doe(Trippn) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:49

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:49
Hi Bonz

Sad!

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:53

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 15:53
lol Jude, wats sad
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 21:52

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 21:52
Don't need the detail or place of the laptop dancer mate. Guess that way you can use the paper maps like Trucky too.
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Reply By: Off-track - Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 23:47

Saturday, May 27, 2006 at 23:47
Tasmania - proof that South Australians can swim. :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:24

Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 11:24
Off-Track, I think most Tasmanians went there with conviction ;-)
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 at 21:35

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No that is just popular belief. Tassies had to get their second head from somewhere, SA is the obvious choice. :-)
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