Advise on vehicle selection

Submitted: Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 11:39
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Hello Everyone

I`m sooo confused, I have an EL Falcon Futura with dual fuel and heavy duty tow pack and I am looking for a pop-top around 12'-14' (older model, second hand) to do some extended fishing trips and sight seeing. There will be three of us, Me, Myself and I.
Talking the to the experts while searching for a van I keep getting told I should have a 4x4 not a sedan but I don`t intend do do any off road work just the odd dirt track to get close to the rivers. My suspension has been renovated to include a one inch lift over standard hight and springs to compensate for the extra load, I`m also considering light truck radials.

Any advise would be appreciated on any subject regarding vehicle or van.
Thank you
Peter
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 11:42

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 11:42
Don't listen to I because he's getting the runaround from everyone.
Definitely don't listen to Me because he would'nt have a clue.
Go with whatever you're told by Myself :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Follow Up By: Leo53 - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:22

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:22
Thanks Gramps

Your right about I and Me so I have tented to listen to Myself but some advise from Others helps along the way.

Regards
Peter
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:30

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:30
Sorry Peter, I could'nt resist :))))

I knew I could count on the other guys giving you good advice based on their experiences. As long as you don't take any unnecessary risks getting to the 'good' spots you should be OK without a 4wd. Might pay to think about some of the recovery gear options just in case e.g. long handled shovel etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, Jul 01, 2006 at 14:10

Saturday, Jul 01, 2006 at 14:10
Al, I hope you can weigh correctly the advice each gets there.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:02

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:02
The Falcon will handle that sized van without a problem.

It would only be the condition of the track that may restrict you on the odd occasion and let me say, I have been severely restricted in my 4WD on occasions.

Providing the track is not saturated and doesn't have deep wheel ruts you would be all right. If in doubt, walk it a ways and you will judge for yourself its condition.

4WD vehicles are great, but they are not always necessary.

Good Fishing Peter.
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:05

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:05
And to follow on from the Sand Man - I took my old XE Falcon to some pretty "out of the way" places once upona time! ;-) Granted, I wasn't towing a van, but have a go and just make sure you've got a plan B! ;-)

Have fun!
Scoey!
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:21

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:21
You'll be fine, if the suspension has been tickled to suit towing your fine. Make sure your brakes are good and perhaps the suspension/tires on the pop-top. A 12'-14' pop top is not heavy. Enjoy yourself and keep the dual fuel.
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 13:43

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 13:43
I've seen some Falcons get into some pretty out of the way spots in the hands of the Backpacker crowd. You'll be fine with that model and something like a Jayco wind up. These come in around the 1000Kg mark which is not very heavy for that car. A set of polyairs to stop it sagging would be all I'd do.
Stick with standard tyres. Most standard passenger radials actually have a higher load rating than LT types ;-( go figure.......
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Follow Up By: Leo53 - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 14:19

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 14:19
Thanks John

Regarding tyres, I use to run 8ply`s on my previous 4x4 and never had a puncture off road in 10 years, so I thought that I would apply the same technology to the car and run 8ply radials to help with weight and strength just like a commersial vehicles carring loads.

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Mark & Jo (Brisbane) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 14:15

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 14:15
We had an EL futura (traded it in on the Pajero) Mate we took that car (plus the XF panel van) to places where they shouldn't go!!!!!! but she went!!! we had 4wd's passing us with the look of ' get a load of these idiots, they haven't got a clue!'
the car will do fine, especially if you don't take it through things that we did!!!
Cheers
Jo
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Follow Up By: Leo53 - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 14:24

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 14:24
Hi Jo

You have inspired me, I think I will stick to the EL and do some fine tuning and add some safety equipment.
I`m affraid I have a big soft spot for the old EL.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark & Jo (Brisbane) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 15:41

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 15:41
I loved my EL, I have to say even though were were trading it on a 4wd which was what we really wanted, after having the EL for 5 years and actually owning the thing it was extrememly hard to give it up! I know a car is a car, but we knew that that car we could rely on, it never ever broke down, never ever had any problems (besides normal wear and tear mechanical). We could get in that car and decide to travel to wherever and without fail it would never let us down.
The thing is, if you are going to do some traveling, if you know your car was like mine, if you can trust it and aren't going to all 4wd only areas, I would keep it.
Getting a new car and then travelling sometimes it takes a while to trust the car you know? If you know your car inside out, stay with it.

Cheers
Jo
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 19:13

Friday, Jun 30, 2006 at 19:13
Don't give up on the EL.
My father went all over Oz in an ED, towing a 13'6" pop top.

You may take it a bit slower, and be a bit more careful, but like the others say, you will get to quite a few places.

Limiting factor may be the rear of the van scrapping, especially if it is a standard road version. Axle over conversion on the van makes a difference, just had a friend do that.

My father is selling his millard van, after 20 years, and we are all sorry to see it go, so know the stories of places in central OZ and all sorts of other places he visited.

Then decide if you need a 4wd once you get out and about a bit more. Couple of friends did discover that some national parks are limiting acces to 4wds only, even if the tracks can be driven in a 2wd with reasonable clearance.
The new falcons and commodores are woeful on clearance.
The old 50s, 60s and 70s cars had 150mm or more of clearance, same as the new Ford Territory!
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 01, 2006 at 23:28

Saturday, Jul 01, 2006 at 23:28
Hi there Peter, you wont have a problem towing the van with falcon,they have plenty of pulling power, sounds like youve set it up too suite, just a couple of things, do you have a transmission cooler (if auto) ( additional in front of radiator) and also keep the coolant and radiator in good nick, eg make sure you change the coolant reguarly, el & ef have head problems if the coolant is not changed by the book and also recomended to use ford coolant, also I would be changing the thermostat yearly as these were proned to stuffing up and yes when they did it was always in the closed position which as you would know if not watching the temp a blown head, every vehicle has there faults these are just a couple that are well known to these models. Regards Steve M
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