Voltage drop
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:35
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Member - greg S (QLD)
Evening all, we have two 120ah agm batteries in the back of our camper and with nothing turned on we drop approx 6ah every day. Is this normal or not. Any feed back will be greatly appreciated.
Cheers Greg
Reply By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:50
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 19:50
As a fish and chip
shop owner come politician once said "please explain" ,,,
you say you have nothing turned on ,
well how the ,,,k do you know that you have lost 6amp hours every day ??? just a few details and maybe an answer to solve your problem may be easier !!! batts /brand /age / wire size / andersons/ vehicle / ect ect ......
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:54
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:54
Alloy c/t,
I asked a question and thought I was being polite, but by the way you seem to be asking how the ---- do you know that you are losing 6ah a day seems a little inappropriate( don't you think??). I don't appreciate being talked to in this way and if you can't speak to others nicely then don't speak at all!
greg
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Follow Up By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:01
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:01
Hear, hear! ( Applause from the Pezza Peanut Gallery )
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Follow Up By: Member - Jerry C (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:43
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:43
Hi Greg,
Can I assume that you have measured a leakage current of a 1/4 amp thus giving you the 6 AH per day?
Cheers
Jerry
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:03
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 23:03
Hi Jerry,
The electronic meter we had installed tell us what we are using and what charge if any is coming in, and it says that there is a discharge of around 0.2-0.3 amps at any given time of the day(all day). And after checking it after a day, overall has dropped around 6amps. This happens every day, untill I put it back on charge that is.
Cheers Greg
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Reply By: Steve - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:03
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:03
Alloy...good one !! there are a few out there still..!! want the readers to 'help' them ...and they are a bit past that stage !!
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:01
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:01
Steve,
What do you mean by saying 'there are a few out there still..!! want the reader's to help them ...and they are a bit past that stage !!'
please explain???
greg
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Reply By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:11
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:11
G'day Greg,in the motor home we have the solar set up on the roof this keeps the charge going in to the batteries all the time as they say is best to keep them up to speed.They all lose voltage when not in use this is why every so often if you don't have solar to do this you have to charge them by a elec/charger if not in about 6mth they will end up like the proverbial bottom of a tree.Also good idea is to keep the
water at the right level.I think i have answered your Q, correctly if not some one else may do.
Cheer's Bob.
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:09
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:09
Thanks Bob,
The batteries are wired up to a 30amp charger that is mounted in the front box, this is hooked up to a 240v plug that I charge via a 15amp ext lead at home. The batteries are 120amp Fullriver AGM. It is when I turn off the charger, the batteries drop around 6ah a day. I don't mind leaving the charger on all the time but I thought that 6ah a day might be a bit much. Anyway thanks for your help.
Greg
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:27
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 20:27
Greg,
It is obvious that something is still drawing current from your battery bank as it is certainly not normal.
How are you measuring the 6Ah loss?
Check to ensure all electrical appliances you have in the camper are turned off.
It is unlikely that a dead short is causing the problem as I would expect a higher, or even total drain if that was the case.
Perhaps you could invest in a clamp style current meter which will help you isolate where the current is being drawn from.
Failing that mate, it is a trip to the Auto electricians you need.
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Follow Up By: hl - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:03
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:03
It sure is unlikely to be a dead short!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:24
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:24
Evening Sandman,
All the electrics are turned off. I have a fused switch panel mounted in the front box, so we can turn off lights etc from outside.(so we don't have to open up the camper just to turn off a light if we forget)
We have an electronic meter to tell us what amps we are using or what is coming in via the charger etc.
The camper was rewired by a company on the sunshine coast(they are not an advertiser on this site), 8b&s wire throughout. 50 amp anderson plug to charge from a vehicle( not currently used, but will be soon), 50 amp anderson plug for a fridge(mounted in the front box, not used at the moment as we don't have a fridge)
Might have to look at a current meter of sorts to find this as it has gone on since they rewired it.
Thanks for your assistance and advice, greatly appreciated
Cheers Greg
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Follow Up By: V8 Troopie - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 00:17
Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 00:17
Does "all the electrics are turned off" include your electronic meter? If not, there may be your answer, meters do consume power too.
If there is any indicator light on your electronics panel, it does not run on thin air either.
Also, batteries are not perfect either, they do suffer from self discharge to some extend. How much of it depends on various causes, such as age of battery, type of battery, temperature, etc.
Good luck with that one,
Klaus
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:09
Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:09
Morning V8 Troopie,
The electronic meter has no lights on it, and realise that it must consume some power, but didn't think it would consume 6ah a day. Might have to make some calls to find out.
Thanks Klaus for your advice, greatly appreciated.
Greg
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Follow Up By: hl - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 12:43
Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 12:43
Hi,
If you meter _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx as little as 250mA then there is your 6Ah in 24 hours!
From you description it sounds like it is a fairly smart device with possibly a microprocessor. That could easily draw 200mA or so.
Cheers
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:26
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:26
Hi Greg
As a paid up member the non paying members are giving you a hard time.
Give me a ring or email me to stop the abuse these guys are giving you.
Regards Derek.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:59
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 21:59
Right on Derek,
I chose to ignore them.
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Reply By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:11
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:11
Do you have a solar setup? If yes then are the panels isolated through a regulator - if not then charge will flow into the panels at night.
Is there a CO sensor in the camper? This will draw some current
Are the batteries isolated from the vehicle?
How are you measuring the current draw and when?
Adrian
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 12:25
Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 12:25
Most Solar Panels have a diode built in to prevent discharging batteries.
Mike
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Reply By: cipher - Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:19
Tuesday, Jul 11, 2006 at 22:19
Greg,
I have a similar set up in the back of my truck, except they are not AGM's. Just pretty standard Wetcell deepcycle 110ah batts i think...
They never seem to have charge and as you said you can charge there for as long or hard as you want and nothing ever helps, i checked
water levels everything!
As it turned out, one of the batteries was dead (for reasons unknown) and was essentially being a load, and discharging the other battery...
Just a thought mate.......?
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:03
Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:03
Thanks cipher, might go and get the batteries tested just to make sure.
Cheers Greg
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Reply By: Nifty1 - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:25
Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:25
Greg, it might be easiest to track this through a process of elimination. Is it possible to disconnect everything except the meter from the batteries to see if you still get the current drain? Then reconnect the charger to see if it is the source of the problem (some chargers monitor the battery and drain a little in doing so), and then gradually reconnect each other connection. Things like a stereo often have an unswitched maintenance power lead and that is another possible cause.
The 6ah/day is far higher than the batteries are losing by themselves.
Direct elimination is far easier then theorising though. Good luck.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 17:46
Wednesday, Jul 12, 2006 at 17:46
greg s ,I was not trying to be in your words "rude" ,, was simply putting the question back to you , in all the replies you have now recieved and in your own followups you have given the sort of information that should have been in your original post ,,IE: batt brand ,wire size, connections ,charger/s ,monitoring system ,ect. ect , then you may have had a response that can "fix" your problem , as it stands I wont bother ,lest to tell you that I run a 6 AGM batt system in every day use ,not theory ,WORKING.
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Reply By: madmax - Monday, Jul 24, 2006 at 18:48
Monday, Jul 24, 2006 at 18:48
Hi Greg,
Your batteries should not lose 6Ah on there own, something is draining the charge, disconnect everything and see if it happens. If so, faulty battery. If not eliminate each device attached to the system one by one.
regards,
Max
Information Manager
Energy Matters - Solar and Battery Sales
www.energymatters.com.au
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Jul 24, 2006 at 20:21
Monday, Jul 24, 2006 at 20:21
Greg,
It's been a couple of weeks now but I have been wondering if you sorted this amp loss from the batteries?
May be of interest to a few others on what it was and how it was sorted. May speed up diagnosis for others with similar probs.
Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:25
Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:25
Hi Trevor,
Good idea
Greg
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