Infared roo detection ?

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 14:52
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I note some later lux cars appear to have info red detectors that allow them to spot a person in the dark before the headlights can see them.
Why couldn't a similar system be used to detect roos ? My experience has been that it's the animal that you don't see that does the damage.
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:12

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:12
Now there's a great business idea!

An infra red camera on the roof rack hooked up to a screen on the dash.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:54

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:54
I wonder if an IR camera would see far enough ahead of the lights ? And I'm thinking an LCD monitor in a dashpod maybe ?
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:58

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:58
Well at 100km/h you travel about 28 m/s. So if you want a 3 sec warning it would need to see about 85 metres ahead.
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Reply By: Tim@Stratford - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:42

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 15:42
Hi all,

The latest 4x4 Australia has an imported Chev or GMC (?) article - the owner is travelling around Aust and brought his own truck with him - very flash with extra bits - including a forward facing thermal imager - very smick. The article doesn't specify what type apart from being milspec - which I think we would have trouble getting here due to US export laws regarding military hardware and homeland security etc. The article refers to it picking up 'roos before the driving lights light them up.

Still a good article and truck!!!
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:02

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:02
The roo I normally collect is the one that comes out of the bush next (well maybe 10 to 15 metres front left or right) to the car, not a 100 metres in front.

What is every one elses experience with roos?

Would a IR sensor work in this case?
Unless you are trying to see the roo in the tall grass/scrub just in from the road well in front?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:10

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:10
Good point. I well remember a trip where I was holding the steering wheel in one hand and sweeping the area in front of the vehicle with a hand held spot, just to see stuff coming across my bow (and there was lots and lots...)
The IR detection stuff could either have a wide beam or have more than one detector, taking in an area around the cabin rather than just straight ahead.
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Follow Up By: oldmagpie2 - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:17

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:17
an infra-red 80 metre ahead would include 10m either side wouldnt it?cheers
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:28

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:28
The unfortunate thing is that I don't know enough about current technology to be able to answer that. I would hope so.
Even if your IR only told you that they were ahead somewhere, it would be a start.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 18:05

Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 18:05
Exactly. The two times I've hit a roo it was a case of flashthump - a flash as I see something in the headlights and a thump as it hit the bullbar. It was all over in one-tenth of a second. They popped out of the bushes just as the car went by.

IR will not see a roo hiding in the bushes. I've used the Army Infrared goggles - good, but they're not xray goggles.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:46

Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:46
Even with an IR and screen it would be a two person job IMO. One to drive and watch the road and another to watch the screen.
I have cleaned up a few now and have had them come from nowhere (causing most damage) and some that I have just, not been able to avoid as they sat there, but with a good bar no real damage to worry about.
All you can do is bar up (bull bar), and hold the wheel tight if you are driving a lot at night out west (for us east coasters) I think it is only a matter of time between encounters.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: oldmagpie2 - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 23:18

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 23:18
ah well bugger it, back to the spottie & a 222.cheers
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:35

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 16:35
It would be better with automatic target acquire and despatch :)))))))
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Reply By: russ36 - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 17:20

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 17:20
there are some areas in queensland where such a thing would continually flash/beep at night....nothing beats sensible speeds, alertness, good lights and a scrub rail reinforced steel bar
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 17:43

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 17:43
look at this

Site Link

it's running in Germany in various tests and the first ones are on the
road I was told ..

regards
gmd
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Follow Up By: Eddy - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 19:17

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 19:17
Good O!

Where did they get the Roo for the tests from?
Don't tell me, the Socceroos left one behind.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:27

Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 21:27
"invisible to the driver and oncoming traffic"
"two barely noticeable infrared emitters are integrated into the headlights. "

- but not if an oncoming vehicle also has infrared emitters aimed at you ! It will blind your system just like oncoming high beams.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:37

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 18:37
Footy,

Sounds like a waste of money to me.

A good pair of spotties and an audible "shoo roo" type device is the better choice.

The "shoo Roos" will generally alert the animal to your approach and hopefully this will drive them off. If not, you have the "back-up" of the spotlights lighting up the road ahead and to the near side.

The "shoo Roo" won't work with humans however because the audible whistle is outside of their hearing range, but if they can't hear the vehicle, or recognise the lights, they probably deserve to be "whacked".
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Follow Up By: Member - Julie P (VIC) - Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 07:53

Friday, Aug 04, 2006 at 07:53
I agree with the "shoo roos" and spots - have actually seen roos and other animals turn away from the road as we approached - I know you can get really expensive "shoo roos" but our are the cheapies - under $10 - and they really seem to work.
jules
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Follow Up By: oldmagpie2 - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 23:21

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 23:21
shoo roo shoo roo shoo roo BANG!.CHEERS
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Reply By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 19:49

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 19:49
Well first of all cameras have a field of view ... it doesn't matter that it is infra-red - it will always be able to "see" the FOV that it's chosen lens will have.

The lens will thus need to be trading off a wide field of view for reach - the ability to get sufficient detail 85+ metres down the road.

To get in 85 metres down the road with some of the roadside veg only needs say a 10 degree FOV (I'm guessing - I didn't calculate it) whereas to get in the roo that is say 10 meters in front of you and 10m to the left hopping across your path it would need a 90 degree FOV or more, and thus a wider lens which would mean that the IR subjects captured 85m down the road might be just specs making the noise (IR specs from other things) more than the signal (roos, cats, foxes et al)

I can't see it being of real value with the current limitations on technology, unless it was very expensive (expensive sensors, smart computing logic, expensive lens and AF system) - by expensive, I mean $2,000+ at reasonably low quantities.

So to answer your question: why couldn't a similar system be used to detect roos? No reason at all really. Of course it will detect other IR emitting things to scare the pants off you - bats, owls (why do they sit on roads at night?), sheep, cattle, people, cats, foxes, rabbits (yep - plenty on the Eyre peninsular) etc.

Practically, the reason you don't see some of those roos, in my experience, is that they are coming out from behind bushes, they are sitting on the road when you come around the corner, they hop up off from below the embankment etc. It aint going to help in those cases, and may make matters worse by bringing a false sense of security.

When there are lots of roos, you can go down to 40 k's in my experience and still be surprised by their behaviour ... so the detector needs to be a roo mind reader too!

Can't see it happening any time soon.

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Dave198 - Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 20:39

Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 20:39
Wholeheartedly agree Andrew. It's the ones that jump out from behind a bush that are the worry. I drive a lot at night in roo country. Some nights they are real skittish, others nights they just sit and watch you go past. Ya just don't know what they are going to do.
One night 100 roos in 40 klms, and that was just what we saw in the headlights.
I think the risk of having a prang while watching the video screen would be pretty high too.
The safest way to drive in roo country at night is not too fast, and don't swerve to miss the roo if you are going a bit quick. Many people have finished up in hospital out our way by trying to swerve to miss a roo. You don't normally try and turn a corner at 100Kph, but some people try that to miss a roo.
If you hit the roo, you have some damage unfortunately. If you swerve and finish up driving on your doorhandles, you have a lot more damage. And maybe finish up in hospital too.
Dave
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 11:29

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 11:29
Trouble is the thing would never shut up in the outback
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