And now... for something completely different :) Long term food stuffs.

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 13:58
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I don't have a freezer (fridge only) so for stays of more than a few days I'm forced to either restock or use tinned items for protein staples such as meat or fish.

I'm after suggestions for products which fulfil this requirement, so far I know about
Tinned tuna, salmon etc
Tinned ham
Tinned turkey
Tinned stews (yuk)
Tinned meat pie (edible)
Eggs

Any other suggestions? I suppose I could look at the vegetarian foods too?

Mike Harding

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Reply By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:10

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:10
Get your butcher to cryovac your meat fish poultry sausages etc.
Will keep for many, many weeks that way in the fridge.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:37

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:37
Maybe I've just been unlucky but I've never had much success with cryovac meat keeping for more than a couple of weeks. Anyway; it's takes up valuable beer and wine room in the fridge :)

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:48

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:48
Mike most important is tell your butcher you need to keep the meat for extended period - my butcher asks - aparently the fresher the meat and keeping things sterile are important for long life we have eaten meat at 5 weeks in fridge no problems slight colour change thats all
Regards Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 21:55

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 21:55
Mike, it sounds like you are getting away for a fair while. Are you not intending to buy along the way at all? Some of those businesses appreciate business apart from just fuel

The salmon portions we buy at the fish shops away from Tasmania are usually cryovac processed, just another option to buy them before they are opened. Some of the soup bases then make a nice stew too, but more liquid to carry.

Desmond and Mrs Lexic went off for a fair while last year and dehydrated quite a bit in the way of veggies and fruit to take.

Some of those garlic sausage portions keep for a fair while too after opening. Don't think the bacteria can stand it :-)
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 08:36

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 08:36
Hi John

I'll be camped in the one location, prospecting, for anything up to a few weeks at a time so unless I make a special trip out, which I'm trying to avoid, I won't be anywhere near shops.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Jimbo - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:20

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:20
Mike,

Fray and Bentos canned Steak and Kidney pie is magnificent. I've only ever heated it at home in the oven. It needs all around oven heat as you take off the lid and bake it in the bottom of the tin. The pastry top is raw and requires full cooking. I suppose it could work in a camp oven.

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:45

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:45
I do not know if they are available in Oz but have you tried MRE (Meals Ready to Eat) as used by the military these days? They come in many different packs and only need heating in the bag - no water required. They last ten years minimum and I just love the stews, turkey dinners and sweet dishes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 15:04

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 15:04
Actually they do need water......for the heating reaction to work :-) However i agree with the tastes, it makes the aussie ones seem like bleep !

Mike, ever thought of drying/dehydrating some meat etc.....good old beef jerky :-)

Andrew

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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:15

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:15
Andrew the self heating MRE's do need water for the chemical reaction but they are not avaiable for sale to the public. The MRE's without the self heating sachet are available for sale to the public.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:20

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:20
I've never seen the non-heating version available for sale.....where do you get them from? I bought all of the "better ones" from a disposal store for a great price :-)

The self-heating ones work great and only require very little water to activate. It's amazing what something so small and insignificant can taste so good.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:46

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:46
Hi Andrew, You are right but I thought that civilians could not purchase the heating packs. I have just done a Google search on MRE and find that several suppliers now offer the heating packs.

I purchased my MRE's from a sports / Surplus store in Christchurch. If anyone is interested here is an American web site that gives a lot of info about MRE's.

www.mreinfo.com/

These meals are fantastic quality/taste and the range of menus is considerable.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:54

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:54
==You are right but I thought that civilians could not purchase the heating packs==

That's what i thought until i saw them in the store. I asked the obvious question and after being told they were ok to sell, i bought the lot for $15 each. :-)

After trying 2 different types so far, i believe that these MRE far outweigh the Aussie ones.......probably 3-4 times better. Imagine having an orange & poppyseed cake that is moist and not falling apart.......that's how good they were.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:34

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:34
Andrew, which Alf are you pushing for president?
Alfred E. Nueman or Alf from Melmec?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:38

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:38
The second one......the best contender (from any party) that i have seen in a long time :-)

Andrew
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:47

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 14:47
there is tinned Camembert ... not the greatest but it holds a while..
regards
gmd
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 17:04

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 17:04
tinned or dead processed camembert. Wow you like self flaggelation. I could get you some good Aussie cheese though Mike. Long hold stuff.
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Reply By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 15:08

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 15:08
How about Stagg chilli beans and beef? Cook up some rice on the side and voila. Not every night though, or it will end up like that campfire scene in 'Blazing Saddles'
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:36

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:36
2 thumbs up to Stagg chilli... Also the new varieties of Hienz baked beans, Indian, Mexican etc... All good eating...
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Reply By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 16:57

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 16:57
Ah now this is a question that I feel experienced enough to answer. Firstly, catch the fish! LOL!, ok so seriously now, my advise is to go for a good stroll through the supermarket looking specifically at the wide range of foods that you can buy in vacuum sealed packages especially in the deli section - look at the usebuy dates and you'll see that you can buy ham, pressed chicken, proscuitto, pancetta, even smoked salmon in very thin packages that will keep for around 2mths in your fridge. There are literally zillions of things you can make with such ingredients - especially adding a tin of lite and creamy evaporated milk with some garlic, chopped onion, chopped mushrooms, makes quite a gourmet pasta sauce, or instead of the evap milk, make a similar dish with a tomato base (a tin or diced tomatoes with a dash of dried basil and perhaps a few black olives).

However, strongly suggest you give cryovac another go. I have never had off meat but there as some tricks to knowing firstly what to buy, and then in what order to use it. I've written up some of this in the Food & Water Article - see the Food Storage section here - http://www.exploroz.com/InfoPages/TripPrep7.asp#Storage

I have no problem taking all fresh produce and storing in fridge for a 3 week stay for 2 adults and 2 children using only a 40L fridge. Forget filling up the fridge with drinks - only chill a day's drinks rations at a time and each morning top up the supplies. If it's longer stays that are your issue, then I guess you're already using solar panels? so powering the fridge isn't the issue - the issue is not overfilling it with things are are not perishables thereby impacting upon your capacity to take perishables/cryovacs etc.

I would also suggest there is no need to eat animal derived protein foods daily so perhaps a good look at your menu might be the trick to minimising just how much you really need to take. Hope this helps?
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:55

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:55
We bought a Foodsaver vacuum packing machine & couldn't be happier, we have eaten red meat packed for 5 weeks, with no discernable change.
Be careful with chicken 7 - 10 days, casseroles or stirfrys if they contain onion, around 7 days.

I have also pre-packed (with grease) wheel bearings, for both vehicle & camper trailer & vacuum packed them also.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:59

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 18:59
Oh, for an edit function.

Forgot to mention that the space saving is amazing with no trays or air.
We pack in meal sized packages, which quickly frees up space for more desirable fridge contents.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:28

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:28
Looking at the Manual for the Sunbeam Unit today - it seems that Vacuum packing extends life by a factor of two to four times.

Some foods will keep out of the fridge this way.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 22:49

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 22:49
I noticed that Sunbeam have put their name on the Foodsaver unit.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:16

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:16
If you don't mind paying more (????) you can buy Freeze-dried food that tastes very good from Bushwalking suppliers.

The main meal in army ration packs is canned meals, the other parts seem to be supermarket stuff, condensed milk, sweets etc. But they are even more expensive than freeze-dried - I heard they are around $100 per day.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:22

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:22
$100 a day......what do you mean?

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:32

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:32
I've heard that if you want to buy a 1-day ration Army ration pack it costs $100 - I've never followed up on it (not even Googled it).
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:48

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 19:48
wow.....i didn't think they were technically available ;-) The only ones i have seen are acquired through disposal stores or friends of friends :-)

I agree that $100 is not worth the cost, especially when you consider that these days they are mainly using brand name products in their packs eg. m&m's compared to the good old army chocolate. Though the toilet paper hasn't changed i believe (still uses 1/2 a sheet of 1 ply sandpaper :-))

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:42

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:42
"good old army chocolate" ?????

I wonder if it's the same ratpack "chocolate" we have lot's of lying around at the Rural Fire Service. I suspect in five years there'll still be as much lying around.

I describe it as Clayton's chocolate - the chocolate you have when you don't want it to taste like chocolate :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:42

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:42
Andrew,
I once left a block of the army chocolate on the roof of a unimog for about 2 hours in mid 30's heat and it never melted... Good stuff that is...
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:49

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:49
That would be the stuff :-)

The only chocolate i know that starts as normal chocolate in the packet and changes to white chocolate when it is opened ;-)

They have been known to be used as replacement lift blocks in suspension kits to give a 1/2" lift.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:51

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:51
"left a block of the army chocolate on the roof of a unimog for about 2 hours in mid 30's heat and it . . . "

. . . I thought you were going to say "it ate through the roof of the Unimog"
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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 08:11

Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 08:11
ha ha Mike,

i was re shelving my vinyl (LPs) yesterday and came across one of those big cardboard boxes, ADF chocolate, from my RFS brigade a few yrs ago. so you still have some too eh? :)
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:56

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 20:56
Before we had a fridge or esky, we used to take a cured salami.
Needs to be properly cured the traditional way.
Wipe it down each day to remove any excess oil, otherwise the oil may go off, turn rancid over time.
Usually hang it up in the tent. Lasts up to 2 weeks plus no problems.
Beware the midnight maruaders thought.
We used to find that the next day, the first few slices were rings from some one sneaking a nibble during the night.
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Reply By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 22:03

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 22:03
Go for a stroll through an Asian supermarket. There's an amazing range of dehydrated products (some that don't resemble anything edible!). Much cheaper than the camping stores for the basics. Also lots of things in sachets and cans.

Try some at home first though just in case the taste isn't to your liking or for those eating with you - responding with "what do you mean you don't like chilli tofu with dried shrimp" doesn't make you real popular at the end of a long day!

Adrian
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 00:13

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 00:13
The scary thing about these freeze dried things in the asian shops, is reading the ingredients and nutrition panel.

What the hell some of that stuff is I have no idea! Things like phsudozilolendamokletine and supercallafrajalistic expialadocious. te he

And how many grams of fat did it say? Although when your long term camping a few high fat meals probably don't hurt.
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Reply By: Blackie - Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 22:43

Saturday, Aug 05, 2006 at 22:43
Your local (larger) supermarket should stock a large variety of ready made meals for one or two, curries etc. You simply drop the plastic bag into boiling water. Similiar stuff in a hiking gear shop cost a fortune these are around the $3-$4 mark and they taste good two.
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Reply By: Mazdan - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 07:38

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 07:38
I have no idea if these are still available but when i was a boy in the Scouts we could buy freeze dried meals from the Scout shops.

They came in a foil package that you simply openned a little and poured x ammount of boiling water into for it to re constitute.

The meals were a variety of baked dinner type meals and my memory of them was that they were delicious.

For a longer trip, I would also throw in a few suimins as well although having tried one of these recently they are not as good as when I was a boy..........well as far as meat content is concerned.............but they will keep you alive.

I guess much depends on how much you want to rough it.
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Reply By: Robin - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 12:38

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 12:38
Hi MIke

There's afew replies so will keep this brief.

We try to do these things right from both practical and nutrition point of view
and one thing they can be used very effectively is TVP, textured vegtable protien
, its sanitarium product.

Basically you can use it in all sorts of things, but two examples we use a lot show its versatility.

1st on recent trip we used some leggo's instant type pasta meals but they don't go far enough per serve. We add TVP which provides real bulk nutrients and makes these things much more of a decent meal.

Second , we something make vegetarian sausage rolls out of this stuff - the ultimate test of just how good it is was when we were at an outdoor bbq over xmas.

We all left the food for some presentations and while we were occupied, a dog
someone brought had a free reign of a large array of BBQ food.

The only thing it stole off the table was our sausages rolls.

Robin Miller



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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 16:47

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 16:47
_Very_ interesting, thanks Robin - do you know if the majors (Coles, Safeway) sell it?

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Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Robin - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 17:33

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 17:33
Yep - its good suff Mike

Sanitarium product , comes in different textures.

Main one is called "TVP Vege-Mince" and is equivalent to mince meat..

Other grade is called "Sausage roll filling" , think also a hamburger grade.

From major supermarkets and hence at reasonable prices.

Its sort'a fun stuffing yourself with 1/2 dozen sausage rolls without taking in all the fat load etc.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: Member - Tony T (VIC) - Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 12:41

Sunday, Aug 06, 2006 at 12:41
Wel, it seems to have been covered alright and Michelle has got the answers, but for what it's worth we (2) have just travelled for 6 weeks (Kimberley) with all supplies including cryovac meat bought in Melbourne , apart from fresh bread, chips with the drinks etc. Came back with 1kg meat- just fine. Butcher said that our choice of larger pieces, less mince etc. helped with long life. - I was happy to put money into the local shops etc., but wanted to do food this way as part of practise for a longer remote trip later. Chyeers. TonyT
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 07:22

Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 07:22
Thanks for the replies everyone - some very good info provided, as usual :)
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