Proved to myself now will share it

Submitted: Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 20:53
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Hi all,

Thought I might share an experiment I am in the process of doing and have had some promising results.
I know there has been many posts on fuel so I thought I would try it out.
I have been using Caltex fuel (At the same servo) since buying my Navara 2 months ago (Has 8000kms on the clock now) and have been incredibly dissapointed with the fuel economy. Was lucky to get 500kms before the warning light came on.
I tried BP last tank and the light came on at 580kms. I have been doing the same driving and nothing has changed .
In my opinion some fuels are "dirty"
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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 20:55

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 20:55
I did a post a while back about Woolworths and shell, I found the same sort of results when I changed to shell, about 11% better.
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 20:59

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 20:59
I think it was your post that inspired me to try it out.... I had alway had my suspicions.
Thanks for finally inspiring me. I spend appox $10000 in fuel a month so I might now have an extra $1000 in my pocket a month :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (VIC) - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 22:15

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 22:15
Wow - $10,000 per month in fuel works out at about 70,000 kms per month!! - and I thought my navarra with 35,000 in 6 months was pushing it!! must be multiple vehicles?
BTW - i get between 650 and 680 kms before the warning lamp on my 2.5 TD D40 using Caltex only.
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Follow Up By: Pavo - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 19:35

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 19:35
Wow alright! Looked at your profile - is all that fuel for all the filming/photography? And do you pay for others peoples/employee's fuel? Couldn't do all those k's yourself, surely???

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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 20:56

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 20:56
Some of my best economy has come from Woolworths, which gets bagged a lot on here.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:08

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:08
Have had 2 extra fuel filter changes and an extra service required after 2 bad fills from the woollies around the corner and they have not got another cent from me since. I am sure it all comes from the same refinery but maybe some sites just have a lot of crud in their tanks and this comes thought to the end user....me!!
Shouldn't tar all sites with the same brush....just the same as people I suppose.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:23

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:23
I'm with you Brew, getting around 40-50km more to a tank of Caltex/Woolies fuel as opposed to BP.
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Reply By: Luke SA - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:54

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 21:54
I filled up both my tanks (GU Patrol TD42) with diesel at a Mobil and so far have driven 300km and has not quite used half a tank yet, time will tell tho

Its the fisrt full tank i have put through to see what mileage im getting since i had the injector pump and injectors recon, before that i was about 700km out of both tanks

Cheers Luke
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 16:23

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 16:23
I would be ignoring any coclusions based of numbers until you get at least another 20 000 km on the clock. You haven't even run it in properly yet. Yes, I know they say it doesn't need more than a couple of thousand km, but you don't generally see good and consistant economy until you have about 20-30 000 km on the clock.

I did a trip to and from QLD and went from 11.5 to 10.2 l/100km going the same speeds along the same roads (Newell/New England) at about the same time of year in the same sort of temperatures (within 2 weeks), left with 6000 km on the clock from MEL and left with 8500 km on the clock from BNE. I now see 9.5-10 l/100km on the highway and 11-13 around town in a Kia Sportage after 50 000km.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 22:08

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 22:08
Damn Gary, last time I saw your car it looked like it had 500,000km on it... Have you finished the build up...???
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 22:37

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 22:37
8 days until it goes to Cheezy's for the "nip and tuck"...

Lotsa $$$$ needed delayed tings a bit.....
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 19:40

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 19:40
Hmmmmm.......You might think that your driving hasn,t changed but as usual there are lots of factors involved, especially head winds, which you might not even notice.

The only difference I have noticed in the different brand fuels is the colour.

That aside, I drop 50ml of Flash Lube for Diesels in every tankful of juice and the old truck runs sweetly.
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Reply By: Jimbo - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 20:11

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 20:11
Next I'll be hearing that:

Pepsi tastes different to Coke

XXXX gives me a hangover but Vic doesn't

Panadol works better than the home brand Paracetamol

Or dare I really stir up the natives and suggest a Nissan is as good as a Toyota.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 22:40

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 22:40
yes
yes, but calling XXXX a beer is a bit of a stretch
no
No, Nissan haven't lowered their standards that much.
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 20:48

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 20:48
extfilm,

Not disputing your osbservations that fuels vary, but IMHO the only proper way to determine your fuel consumption is from fill to fill. Fill to the top record your starting kms, drive, fill to the top and record the distance travelled and litres.

Do this a few times and you get a pretty decent average fuel consumption.

Conducting an experiment based on a light coming on is just too flaky and open to inconsistencies in the fuel guage etc. I'd be guessing that the light is switched by the resistance in the fuel guage circuit, so it is dependent on the fuel sender in the tank. I've just replaced one of these in my cruiser and they are pretty basic - just a fine wire wound around a board. The float operates a slider across the wound wire that creates a different resistance at each level. The wires are wound differently in various parts of the slider in an effort to be more accurate, but if your manufacturer didn't spend much on getting this just right - which is pretty difficult with this technology - then the guage could easily be 10% out and account for the difference in your test.

Tim
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Reply By: Member - John R (NSW) - Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 21:56

Saturday, Aug 19, 2006 at 21:56
I was looking at the cetane ratings of diesels and noticed that Shell is higher than Caltex. I thought that perhaps running the car on Shell might amount to slightly better fuel economy.

I was wrong.

Although my observations are subjective, I found that on a Sydney-Brisbane-Sydney trip last week my economy was better on Caltex by about 1/2 to 1L per 100km. Drove up on Caltex, filled up on Shell (only a few L of Caltex left in the tank in BN). Plus we all know it's downhill on the return trip :-) so economy should automatically be better......

So I guess I'll be sticking with the Caltex.
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