Suggestions for a Torque wrench for wheel nuts

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 07:24
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Good morning all,

After following threads on problems with wheel-studs I am looking at getting a torque-wrench to my kit.

Research shows there are 2 types, click type & a dial/vernier type.

Q1: Which type would be adequate for occasional use? There is a huge range in $ [100 to 1500+]

Q2: Suggestions on brands & models please? The nuts need 105Nm[taken from owners manual].

Q3: Is the torque for alloy wheels different to steel wheels? Some threads suggest this, I am just confirming if this is true.

TIA.....eng
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:05

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:05
The dial type can be a pain to use. you have to view them from exactly overhead (difficult to do when trying to torque up a wheel nut) or you can get parralex error, which rather negates the whole purpose of using a torque wrench in the first place.
The click type is much easier to use.
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Reply By: traveller2 - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:16

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:16
Even a cheap click type will be more accurate than just tightening them with the wheelbrace.
the likes of supercheap and the big auto accessory places like auto 1 etc regularly have them on special, check out the promo's and junk mail for farters day!
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:25

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:25
I like my click type, it is also longer than most of the 1/2" square drive ratchets we are likely to carry so a better ability to undo tough nuts. Best not bend anything on it though as it is all calibrated on the basis of the predicted deviation or bending rate of the bar. Bearing in mind that all weigh cells are on the same system sort of deviation, it's accuracy depends on the calibration.
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Reply By: scoof - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:46

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:46
Good Morning
I think the click type is the better bet, even trying to read a dial type on the side is a pain in the butt.IMO
Jeff
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 23:31

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 23:31
.........in the rain, in the dark, with traffic blasting past you, etc.....(Murphy's law of inconvenience)
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:54

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:54
Do not use a torque wrench to undo nuts ( wheel nuts or any others ) unless the wrench is designed to do this, most are not.
Undoing things will destroy the calibration
Ray
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:58

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 08:58
Agreed, use a breaker bar or the wheel brace you have been using to undo them. Torque wrench is not designed for applying massive leverage to undo tight nuts.
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Follow Up By: Wok - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:30

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:30
Point taken......just for doing up

eng
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Reply By: the outlaws - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 09:20

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 09:20
G`day Wok,
I have a 1/2" drive torque wrench its a vernier type it doesnt have the click function but once you have achieved the desired torque it slips forward the brand I purchased is K.C Tools it cost about $120.00 and is good value.One thing to keep in mind with this type of wrench is that you must back them off once you have finished doing your job if you leave them wound up under load they will quickly lose there calibration hope this helps.
cheers
Johno !
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:03

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:03
I bought a click type one recently off ebay for about $50-. Tested it on my nuts and it seems to work OK....(but jeez my nuts will never be the same again! ;-))
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:26

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:26
Nice one Roachie

Regards Bob
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:52

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:52
I think I got the same one as Roachie off ebay. Works fine. Supercheap have a similar one for $62.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Wok - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:32

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:32
LOL....booboo............thats naughty

but nice

eng
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:00

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:00
I have a good click type for serious mechanical work but don't like to carry it around just to do up wheel studs. I bought a cheap which relies on a separate indicator pointing at a scale on the main part which bends as you lean on it. Very hard to read the scale accurately so I glued a penlight battery holder to it, mounted a nut & screw as an adjustable contact so that an LED comes on when it reaches the set point. Calibrate it against the good one every now and again. Even if the calibration slips, they are all the same. Could use a buzzer instead of the light if you wish.

Cost me $20 for the cheap torque wrench, $5 for the other bits and an hour of fiddling.

alastair
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:04

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:04
About 30 years ago I remember an old Geordie machine tool fitter, when I asked if he had a torque wrench I could borrow, telling me "The best torque wrench is your arm, son". Although I must admit back in the days when I used to take cylinder heads off I would usually (but not always) use a torque wrench to put them back although to this day I still don't own one.

Do you _really_ need one for wheel nuts?

Mike Harding

PS. Kmart do an excellent telescopic wrench for wheel nuts - ideal when you're in the desert and discover that at your last service when they rotated the wheels they got a 9' tall, 250kg orangutan to tighten the nuts! Wish I'd had one at the time :)
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Follow Up By: Wok - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:34

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:34
[quote] Do you _really_ need one for wheel nuts? [unquote]

After reading horror stories about broken studs..............yes

eng
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:50

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:50
If you don't know when to stop turning before you break a wheel stud (or stress it close to breaking point) then you should probably call a garage to change your wheel for you.

btw the bit about lubricating threads is nothing to do with Toyota, it’s basic mechanics - if there is significant friction between the threads on the nut and the stud (eg rust) then your torque wrench is going to read that friction as part of the torque you have set thus leaving you with a less than tight nut. This was part of what my friend meant about your arm being the best torque wrench - that's the kind of issue one can "feel".

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: oldmagpie2 - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 22:07

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 22:07
dear wok, you are having us on arent you for fifty or more years there is not a tyre service , garage[service station] service centre or bleep that has ever used a torque wrench on a wheel nut ? oh hang on maybe nudenut?
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 22:27

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 22:27
"deal when you're in the desert and discover that at your last service when they rotated the wheels they got a 9' tall, 250kg orangutan to tighten the nuts"

That's what the hand winch handle is for :)
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Reply By: phil - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:47

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:47
Hi,

Don't forget that the specified torque assumes a lubricated thread.
If the studs are dry the necessary torque could be almost anything. At the correct torque the stud is stretched slightly, but well within the elastic limit. This ensures that it stays tight.
I put a little graphite grease on mine and have never had a wheel nut come loose.
Makes them easy to undo also!

Phil I
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Follow Up By: Wok - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:38

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:38
Phil,

Thats interesting, I always thought the studs were used dry or the nuts would not hold on?.....obviously not in your experience!

My manual doesn't mention lubricating the thread.......will have to check up with Toyota.

eng
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 15:27

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 15:27
I agree with PhilI about the benefits of lubricating threads.
But the handbook for my 79series warns against it. Presumably they are worried that teh nuts will loosen. I check mine for tightness regularly, especially when away, and haven't had an issue.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 16:17

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 16:17
Wonder if they also advise that the bolts holding the big end of the conn rod together are not oiled in case they loosen :)

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 18:31

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 18:31
I've always lubed mine with either Neverseize or moly grease and have never had one come loose on any vehicle I've owned in over 30 years of outback trips.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 23:37

Thursday, Aug 24, 2006 at 23:37
A bit of a heads up about the lubrication....go easy on it, spin the nut up, and undo it to distribute the grease along the thread, then spin it up and torque it correctly. Dont use too much or you can end up lubricating your brakes too, and I'm not too sure that is a particularly helpful thing to do....
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Reply By: Wok - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:41

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 13:41
Thanks all, looks like the click type will suffice for me.

Just thoughts on Q3 left!

eng

Just spent $192 on LPs...................broke again!
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 15:29

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 15:29
Eng,
The torque for alloys may be different - depends on what your manufacturer says. Some vehicles use the same, others have a lower torque for the alloys.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 16:12

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 16:12
Wok,

If you believe you can overtighten wheel nuts with a standad wheel brace, you are a better man than me Gunga Din.

As another forumite has posted, it's just something else to cart around and does not belong in a tool box with everything else.

You should be able to "feel" if the nuts are tightened sufficiently. That is just before you get out the extention bar, or use your feet, to tighten up just that bit more.
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Reply By: Dave198 - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 18:54

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 18:54
I only use the normal factory supplied wheelbrace while I am away, but if I have to change a wheel while at home, I use a crossbrace type.
But, I always recheck the nuts at about 100 kms from changing the wheel.
Never had a problem.
It is standard practice for most transport operators too, recheck the the nuts at about 100Kms.
Dave
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Reply By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 19:30

Tuesday, Aug 22, 2006 at 19:30
Wheel nuts are a dry torque, if lubricated nuts will be over tight when time to undo especially with spray lube that will dry out.
Cheers
Charlie
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Reply By: Wok - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 07:14

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 07:14
Morning all,

Picked up a unit from the local $ converter.

Found that the nuts were pretty-well spot on [+-4%]. Using the OEM brace I exceed the specs by a whisker!...109Nm vs 105Nm required.

Conclusion..........1 less tool to carry!

Thanks all.........eng
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