Additional Van water tank

Submitted: Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 13:57
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Hi All,

I am in the process of fitting an additional 60 litre water tank under my Jayco Freedom Pop Up. No problem with the fitting but the plumbing doesn't seem to be working. The new tank has a filler (25mm) and a delivery (12mm) both at one end and at the bottom of the tank. Using "T" pieces I joined the two tanks together with a tap in each. I ran the hoses up over the chasis rail and back down to the other tank. When I came to fill both tanks together it seems as if only the original tank is filling, I suspect because of the elevated hose to the second tank. Am I on the right track here? Do the hoses joining the two tanks have to be on the same level ?

GeeTee
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 14:05

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 14:05
Yep, you're on the right track, I'd say. You're trying to make water run uphill. The hose joining the 2 tanks together needs to be as flat/level as possible, with no raised bit. You should be able to run it "along" the chassis, instead of "over" the chassis....

Hope this makes sense.

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Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 16:26

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 16:26
Thanks for the info so far ! ! I have had another look at it since my first post. The tanks are either side of the axle and drop down below the level of the chasis so if I join them at the same level it will mean having a hose in mid air above the axle, not too flash ! I was thinking of making that joining bit with a piece of 20mm pvc water pipe and flexible hose at either end. Hopefully it will not flap around too much. Any more ideas ?

GeeTee
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 16:36

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 16:36
Okay, I see what you mean now too......

I would probably recommend you actually attach/thether the hose (or PVC pipe) to the top of the axle too. This will provide an addition support as well as prevently chaffing by the axle itself. You may need to make up a bracket to go from the axle to the PVC pipe.

In fact, I would probably suggest you not use the PVC at all; but instead use a single piece of drinking quality hose, but run it through a larger size hose as well so that it doesn't get damaged by stones etc.

It's bit difficult to say too much without seeing it in the flesh, but I hope you can see what I mean.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 15:13

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 15:13
Yep, you are right, you are expecting the hose to syphon, but it won't do it unless the hose is full of water. May work if first tank is full, and hose doesn't rise above the top of the full tank. Better still if you can get the hose as low as you can near the bottom of the tank.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 18:26

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 18:26
Install one larger single tank?
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Reply By: Grandpa joe - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 19:02

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 19:02
A seperate filler for each tank and a three way direction type tap supply hose from the two tanks is another option. That way when one runs out you switch the tap to supply from the second tank Giving you a good idea of water consumption and handy if you need to fill water but don't want it with your drinkable stuff in which case you just use the spare outlet port on the tank.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 19:20

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 19:20
Do both tanks have a working breather??

Anyway, if it were me, I'd have the two tanks plumbed separately - so one can be kept aside of drinking water, and the other can be topped up as necessary with "dodgy" water.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 19:28

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 19:28
I reckon Phil has it right. I have two tanks in the CT. When one is empty, turn it off (simple in line tap) and the other on and off you go. If one gets a hole, or gets contaminated, I still have water.

Separate fillers required of course. Not sure if all this is possible given that you have done the work, but if possible, it is the way I would go.
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 20:31

Friday, Aug 25, 2006 at 20:31
I have fitted many 2nd tanks to vans and the only way to fil them to 100% capacity is to pressure fill them.

Most tanks are fitted with 2 lower (Drain) fittings. Drill them out as most are not drilled at the factory. Use one as your suction side for the pump and the other as a drain / filler via a ball valve tap. Fit a 25mm ball valve between the tanks on the filler as an isolator so you can drain the tanks one at a time. Also fit a tap to each suction fitting so so can isolate you usage. I use my front tank first and also fill this tank with any 'Suspect' water so it is easily flushed.

Close all taps and pressure fill the tanks from the drain fitting one at a time. You will get them 100% full this way.

Regards Derek.
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Reply By: Old Johno [NSW] - Saturday, Aug 26, 2006 at 09:40

Saturday, Aug 26, 2006 at 09:40
GeeTee,
I have fitted 2 tanks to my van and used a Gas type 3 way fitting for both filling and usage. Both tanks fill from a domestic hose with no trouble at all. Only inconvenience is that you have to change the taps but you have control of what water is used to fill them & a better idea of usage.
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Reply By: Wizard2 - Sunday, Aug 27, 2006 at 16:31

Sunday, Aug 27, 2006 at 16:31
I too have fitted a second tank to our Freedom Poptop. It is positioned behind the axle. Fortunately the filler is at the top with the outlet at the bottom. However I have always had a second filler hose. I thought of the single filler idea but it was actually harder to control the flow to each tank. I recently fitted a Camec lockable filler cap to the side of the van with the hose, etc entering under the single bed and out the floor. There are pictures on the JUGA (Jayco User Group Australia) via Yahoo of the cap setup.

The plumbing only involves outlets to the sink which are via a pair of Shurflo pumps in series. The rear pump can be isolated when only pumping from the front tank. The hand pump in the van has been replaced by a normal sink type tap from Bunnings.

If you need more info give me your email address and I can send pictures.

Wizard
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Follow Up By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Sunday, Aug 27, 2006 at 16:48

Sunday, Aug 27, 2006 at 16:48
Thanks Wizard, Pics would be great. I have some coming from oljohno of his setup but it all helps. Have had a look at the juga pics. email is graydonn at ozemail dot com dot au.

GeeTee
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