Best Auxilliary Battery?

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 31, 2006 at 22:43
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Hi all

I need to replace an ACDelco 105 Ah Deep Cycle battery, in my camper trailer. The battery primarily runs an 80L Waeco fridge.

From what I've been able to research here and elsewhere on the web, is that it needs to be deep cycle, not a cranker.

However, quite a lot of info re charging these deep cycle batteries seems centred around rather fancy 3 stage charging. In reality mine only gets charged from the car when running, or occasionally by a generator when camped out at one place for a decent period of time (and not near other campers!). It also needs to survive extended periods between trips when its not being topped up.

The newer AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat) deep cycle batteries seem to cope with the above - can rapidly recharge, and discharge only very slowly, so OK to leave them in the camper when not in use, and simply recharge before travelling.

Has anyone had any experience with these AGM batteries? Are they as good as they sound? Can anyone recommend a brand etc?

Many thanks, Max
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:44

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:44
You have pretty well answered your own question by your research.
Anyone who justifies the advantages of an AGM battery over the extra cost of them, uses one.

Brand......take your pick.

Generally the decision on brand and size/capacity is governed by the space where you are installing it. A camper trailer should allow a greater choice.

As for the multi-stage "smart" chargers, they are beneficial in that they will not damage your AGM through over charging.
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Follow Up By: maxhugen - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:14

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:14
Hi Sand Man

The AGM type batteries, although more expensive, may be cheaper in the long run, since I probably wouldn't recharge a wet cell battery 'every 90 days' as seems to be recommended, so I wouldn't get much life from one.

Haven't found much online in the way of manufacturers with AGM batteries... better keep on searching!

Cheers, Max
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:05

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:05
Throw a few questions back at you ,how old is your batt ?? how long do you get out of it running your 80lt ?? how long between trips ?? and what charging do you use home and away ?? then we can start to play ,,
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Follow Up By: maxhugen - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:37

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:37
The ACDelco was in the Trak Shak camper trailer when I bought it second hand 2 years ago. It could be anything up to 5 years old, but maybe not.

Unfortunately, I can't really say how long the Waeco will run on this battery, as I've been very haphazard in recharging it in the past... sometimes it's recharged daily by the 4wd, sometimes by a generator, etc. Have to improve my battery management habits!

At home, I've tended to let it recharge on the drive home, then check that it has a full charge (ie ~12.75V), and then done nothing further. The ACDelco has survived this for some years...

However, I've just recharged it, and although its showing 12.74V, the Indicator Window is showing Red (needs charge) when it should show Green (fully charged). I'm going to hook up a fluoro to it, as a sort of load test, and try to determine if the battery is still OK - but I strongly suspect not!

Since I don't want to be stuck with a dead battery in the desert (warm beer - yuk), I think I should get a new one, and keep the old one as a reserve, if it appears to carry a charge OK.

The Waeco 80L (CF-80) draws 5.5A when running (66W), and supposedly runs about 40% of the time. I'm tentatively allowing about 10 hrs per day of running. That's 55Ah per day.

Some battery sites seem to suggest that an AGM battery can be run down to 20%, but some other sites say this is nonsense, and suggest that you shouldn't deplete them to much less than 50% if you want them to last.

If that's the case, then I really need at least a 110Ah battery - and that's without allowing for any reserve. Worse, that only allows for 24 hrs without recharging.

The more I read about battieries, the more I get depressed!

Cheers, Max
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 13:57

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 13:57
"Some battery sites seem to suggest that an AGM battery can be run down to 20%, but some other sites say this is nonsense, and suggest that you shouldn't deplete them to much less than 50% if you want them to last. "
- some people have trouble moving forward. 50% was a good rule for wetcell Deepcycles, but AGM's are affected much less by deeper discharges. One camper trailer manufacturer recommends that the AGM batteries they install can be discharged to 20%.
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Follow Up By: maxhugen - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:15

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:15
Thanks Mike... being able to dscharge lower, without buggering up the battery, was one of the features of AGMs - I thought! Cheers, Max
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:49

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:49
Reasonably priced AGMs are Fullriver, Remco and Absorbed Power.
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Follow Up By: maxhugen - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 11:09

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 11:09
Thanks Mike, will check these out.

Cheers, Max
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:09

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:09
Add "Firstpower" AGM DC batteries to that list, they are designed to be used as storage batteries, and charged by solar systems.
Priced at about $220 for 100a/h (10 hours, higher rating at 20 hours)
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Follow Up By: maxhugen - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:19

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:19
That's quite a good price! Thanks, Max.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew W (VIC) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:00

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:00
Try Derek at ABR (just click on battery) - I just got off him at a good price and it seems to be pretty good - plus he does know what he is talking about.
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Follow Up By: maxhugen - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:17

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:17
Thanks Waddo, checking out his site now. Cheers, Max
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 09:59

Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 09:59
The new AGM Batteries are not on the site yet.

100 a/h $250.00
90 a/h $230.00

I will have my new site up and running soon.

Regards Derek.
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Follow Up By: maxhugen - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 16:27

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 16:27
G'day Derek

Could you advise brand, dimensions, terminal type, weight, warranty etc? And cost of freight to postcode 2446 (Beechwood, near Wauchope NSW).

Thanks, Max
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 18:45

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 18:45
Contact me on djbester@bigpond.net.au

Regards Derek.
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