UHF channels 22 & 23 inhibited

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I have just purchased a Uniden uh064sx-2 premium pack (hand held radios) only to discover on reading instructions that channel 22 & 23 "are for telemetry & telecommand applications and TX is inhibited on these channels". The response from Uniden via the electronics shop was that this is the future, and could not explain further. I have emailed Uniden direct and await a reply. The radios were to be used for work & play, the current work site uses channel 22 for site communication. Does anyone know about this dilemma?

Thanks, Sharyn.
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:52

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:52
Sharyn

Those channels (by law) are and have always been for data only. ie no voice transmission.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:03

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:03
makes ya wonder why those requenciesare available on publicly sold units...
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:05

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:05
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:11

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:11
www.thatwasnicebutuseless.org

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:11

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:11
by law?
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 13:31

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 13:31
Yep.

It'll probably be somewhere in the RADIOCOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1992. Some lovely bed time reading there.

There is a pdf in the members fileswap which shows all the ones allocated by L.A.W. law.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 13:41

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them bstards!
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:57

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 14:57
Thats correct, so your Work will have to change.

Actually, I'll have a winge here.
It browns me off when businesses use a UHF CB Channel to conduct their business, then abuse any other user you tries to use the same channel.

Bugger them I say.

Businesses can register for exclusive use of a private channel which gives them that......privacy from every other man & his dog using the same (public) channel.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:02

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:02
So farmers should register their own too?
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:07

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:07
why call it Citizen Band if they are allowing businesses to operate on the channels....get ****ed i say!..i'll use anyway I want......
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:54

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:54
Actually Bruce, I would exclude Farmers from my general comments.

Most of the time, they are in remote areas and impede on no one, unless you happen to drive by. In fact, I quite enjoy "evesdropping" on their conversations when travelling through the countryside. Very little, if any swearing, just normal conversation on how much of the crop still needs cut, or how the tractor is going and that sort of thing. If I am in a convoy and we "clash" with the locals, then we just go up or down a channel for a few minutes until we are out of range, then revert back to our previous channel.

But, in the metro area, it is hard to even find a clear channel and when you do, it's not long before some pimple-headed, testosterone laden, gift to womenhood, buts in with absolute drivel, laced with four letter words every alternate one. Or, some "business" asks you to change to another because they are "using" this channel.

As Nudie says....They can get ****ed!

Just part of the "public" domain of CB Radio I guess.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:55

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:55
I agree, if a business doesn't want to share then they can pay for a private frequency, otherwise get nicked.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:01

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:01
Sandman - I think some people may misinterpret this "Businesses can register for exclusive use of a private channel "

Businesses can register for a frequency outside the 40 UHF CB channels.

If they are on CB they have NO priority over any other user.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:31

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:31
"some pimple-headed, testosterone laden, gift to womenhood"

Errr ... here in the beautiful West we get just as many females butting in with the same drivel and four letter words. Gave up using it in the metro area long ago.
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Reply By: Darian (SA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:02

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:02
UHF related formal paperwork across my desk in the last year or so has consistently mentioned the same - users, such as farmers, can remotely control various functions on farm via UHF data transmission (checking on distant water tanks is one example I'm told) - I guess is relatively cheap compared to getting dedicated radio gear for a single purpose - at least their hardware can double as comms, on the other permitted channels - seems that your work site would be contravening a federal regulation - I'll have a look on the ACMA site. BTW - I read a few months back somewhere that we are the only country where UHF is employed for CB usage - all others use HF etc.
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Follow Up By: Darian (SA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:21

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:21
In their usual manner the bureaucrats don't communicate in a manner we could hope to understand clearly, BUT via the link below, 22 and 23 are treated seperately - seems the conclusion is don't us voice on these !
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A workplace is hardly "citizen" in the view of most - they should get a licence and upgrade to commercial UHF at least (some UHF's can be easily upgraded via PC programming)- hoards of channels open up in commercial mode - plus 25W power levels instead of the lowly 5W we are legally restricted to.
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:31

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:31
Gets down to the principle that if you're not prepared to pay for a commercial license for your business or farm radio comms by using UHF CB, then be prepared to put up with other people using the channel(s). And don't abuse them if they find that the channel is being used by other parties.
Pay for a commercial channel and ACMA will allocate a frequency which does not interfere with other users in the area.
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:39

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:39
Its interesting that the contractors for the Epping to Chatswood railway use UHF 18. Get a bit snarly when we are backing the van down our drive - but I reckon its a bit rugged of them for the reasons above, so we just do it. Its only once in a while and 18 is supposed to be for caravanners.

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Follow Up By: joc45 - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:51

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:51
Yeh, Max, you'd have thought that they'd have done their homework re channel usage before embarking on their ch18 choice.
Perhaps they already got hounded off the yob channels and caravanners are a bit more subdued ;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:05

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:05
But keep in mind that Caravanners have no priority on Ch18, Truckers have no priority on Ch40, by law, anyone can use these channels.

Of course it's common sense to use channels for commonly agreed purposes.
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:32

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:32
Mike,
Absolutely. It's a "gentleman's agreement" re channel allocations. Use the channel for general monitoring. If you strike up a potential lengthy chat on the allocated channel, move to an unused channel. Obviously, these businesses either have no idea of the allocations, or choose to make their own rules.
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Reply By: HJ60-2H - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:08

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:08
It's all detailed in the class license for UHF CB on the ACMA WWW site. Hasn't always been the case of no voice Tx on 22 & 23 only in the last 5 or so years.
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Reply By: John R (SA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:02

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:02
I've got a boot in each camp . . as a farmer who uses UHF radios I only get annoyed when a certain truck company from Adelaide come through using disgusting language (not on 39 or 40). I don't say anything, but it is annoying. Frankly, if it's a bunch of tourists passing through there's no real drama (though when a bunch of old farts are in the district and spend all day discussing their daily meal requirements it does get a bit much!).

UHF gained a strong foothold in farming in this region after the 1983 ash wednesday fires. If everybody had their own vhf frequency, regardless of the cost, there would be no way of communicating with the neighbour in a business or emergency situation. Well, in any situation. Unless you all had UHF as well, and who's going have two raidos?

In such situations, and frankly it's all too frequent to have a fire in this area to which a dozen farm units as well as cfs will be on scene, people need to be able to communicate.

This is in a rural environment where it's rare to get 'foreigners' clogging the airwaves anyway. In the city, I'd have thought vhf a must for businesses.

As for 22 & 23 being data only . . . like every other channel, around here they're used for voice. I've never heard any data transmissions. Do they get used frequently in the city for data?

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Follow Up By: Member - Sharyn M (VIC) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:11

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:11
I'm with you John R, I've never heard any data transmissions either, no one can tell me who uses these frequencies plus these channels are used by locals just like in your area. Being out in the country too I don't think work sites using this type of communication bothers any of the natives, lol.

regards, Sharyn
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:58

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:58
I've heard lots of data in Geelong John, don't know what or who it is but it's fairly regular.
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:28

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:28
Can be handy at times to be on the same channel as locals as you pass through. We were heading west from Forbes a couple of years back and talking about where to buy fuel. Someone came on and told us the town we were thinking about was about 10 cents a litre dearer than the one before.

So we changed our plans and as we went through he was right! I don't think he was the owner of the servo - sounded like he was working on the grain terminal.

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Reply By: Member - Sharyn M (VIC) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:03

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:03
Thank's everyone for the information. I have found out this afternoon that this channel 22 & 23 inhibiting came enforce 8 mths ago by the Australian Communication Authority and that there has been little or no media coverage - (according to Uniden). New units are inhibited but older units are able to still use these channels it seems, not sure of the legalities though. As for site work, I don't make the rules, but will pass on the information as maybe they have no idea either!

regards, Sharyn
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Follow Up By: Groove - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:22

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:22
As for the legalities I really believe that no authorities give a damn about policing CB bands and havent done for years.

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:03

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:03
As for legalities, I think ACA or any other body would be powerless to stop you using it, if your radio is so enabled What are they they to do, fine you.

Like other channels, it is purely a "moral" issue.

One uses what ever channel is free from "outside" chatter, in the area you are in.
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Follow Up By: HJ60-2H - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:44

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:44
In theory the ACMA could revoke your access to the class license and thus any transmission you make is illegal.

I do wish they would use this power on the mindless idiots on the city repeaters to clean the system up. On the other hand these repeaters work well to attract the formentioned idiots and keep them mainly out of the way of most of us. Just keep off the city repeaters and life is bearable on UHF.

VHF Ham is the best way I reckon.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:14

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:14
How can they revoke access to a public frequency? If there was a licence system yes I can understand that but give me a break......
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:43

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:43
If you contravene the regulations in the Rdaiocommunications Act you can be fined and your radio confiscated.

It has happened - but too rarely.
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Follow Up By: HJ60-2H - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:48

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:48
There is no such thing as a public frequency. All frequencies in the radio spectrum require a license to transmit on. ACMA cover things like garage door openers, radio microphones, mobile phones, portable phones, UHF CB with class licenses.

So you are actually transmitting with these devices under a class license. To find out more go the ACMA www site and read the class licence for UHF CB and all will be revealed to you.
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 13:39

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 13:39
They can and do prosecute, but rarely. usually you'll get "advice" or a warning. In rural areas they wouldn't really care too much if it doesn't disturb anyone.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 13:42

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 13:42
well they would do better to chase the others who openly flout this oh so important LAW
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:43

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:43
My 27mhz can access these frequencies listed below
An earlier equipment specification, RB249, allowed the use of two channels, 27.095 MHz[between 11 and 12] and 27.195 MHz[ between 19 and 20] these are no longer approved for use.I sure do wish that kids did not have access to full 40 Ch sets , they cause so much havoc on Ch 40 UHF,why they must insist on using 40 is beyond me, Few adults could have theirs stuck up #!*#%% too
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Reply By: dieseltojo - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:52

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:52
Can be fun to meet some business people in the out back.We came into Broken hill and were listening when a local massage parlour was calling to a client. We were on channel 21.Any we began to talk to each other etc and the next minute a young lady asked us if we would mind changing channels as they use channel 21 for their business.I came back with "could you please identify your business and identify your self." strangely we didn`t gee an answer .Lol
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:16

Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:16
theirs is a business doing pleasure with you
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:18

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:18
The federal radio regulations limit the legal use of certain channels.

Ch 5 and Ch 35 (repeater 5) - To be used ONLY in an emergency situation.

Ch 11 - Only to call or locate another station. Parties must then switch to a conversation channel.

Ch 21, Ch 22 - No voice transmissions allowed on these two channels. Reserved for telemetry & telecommand.

Ch 31 to 38 - must not be used within range of a repeater, except to communicate via the repeater.

There's also a law against use of obscene language !!!!
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Reply By: Grungle - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 21:02

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 21:02
There are quite a few companies that use the CB but have CTCSS enabled (also called a sub audible tone) on a particular channel so they cannot hear the general populous talking but can talk freely amongst themselves. The sugar industry up hear around Mackay are one such organisation which have comms with farmers and QR but went to a CTCSS tone to cut out chatter from general CB users.

The general public can hear them though as their receivers are open to all transmissions.

I suggest that if you want to talk to others in a convoy then people pick a channel and program a sub audible tone in so they can chat and not worry about others (for example channel 24 and tone 131.8 Hz). That way only your radios will squelch when a tone coded tranmission comes through but remains silent if someone else on ch 24 transmits.

You only have to do it for 1 or 2 channels and leave others untouched for general chatting.

This only applies to radios that are equiped with CTCSS of course which is most that have been released in the last 5 odd years.

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 21:32

Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 21:32
yeh, it's annoying trying to communicate (in an emergency situation) with cane farmers up in the pioneer valley operating on 25 and they can't hear you, however you can hear all communications from them :-(

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