2.8 gu

Submitted: Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 21:54
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Hi all,
I posted a while ago asking for opinions on which GU to go
for.As I was replacing my VERY tired GQ. It was a toss up between a
very low KM 2.8 TD I had found or a 100KM plus 3.0 TD. Unfortuantly the
old budget or should I say the budget controller!( wife) would not
stretch to a 4.2. Anyways I bought the 2.8 as the price was right, and
apart from being the last car from the lights it has being great, No
problems with power climbing dunes at stockton beach, fine on all the
rough tracks I have being on. I was warned about lack of power in the
2.8, but as I only tow a bike tralier with a couple of bikes it handles
that fine. So to anyone who is considering a 2.8 they are fine as long
as you don't want to tow a huge caravan, beat WRX'S from the lights or
drop burnouts on a sat night!!

Happy 2.8 owner
Stefan

I think I need to change my name from GQ_TUFF to GU_I'M ONLY JUST
BEHIND YOU!! LOL
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Reply By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:17

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:17
Gday Stefan - welcome to the club! I find as far as highway use goes, it probably accelerates as well as my mates 4.2, and seems to like to cruise at 120kph all day. Keep the revs up and it tows ok as well. Its a motor that is very unforgiving off road, get the gear wrong and pay the price. Mine's booked in for the lpg injection at xmas, will give a full report when done.

From what I've read here, they "chip"well also.

Cheers Andrew

PS they will do a burnout - on full lock under hard acceleration, thoink its more to do with the LSD though!
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Reply By: PatrolBen - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:34

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:34
Same reasons for buying and sentiments for me. They are slow off the lights but put a few revs on the tacho and they go all day long, especially around the 100-120km/hr mark where you have to keep watching the speedo like a hawk so that it doesn't try to wind further around. In the soft stuff on Fraser I found that with second gear with 2500-3000rpm in high range the big girl never even felt like slackening speed and just kept on going (cant say the same for my HJ75 trayback 4.0 Diesel which has never got this acceleration thing). That said, the highest I have ever had the 2.8 was 3600rpm when I had to punch past a roadtrain that was doing 125!!!, I normally go no higher than about 2800 when coming off the line and just let the turbo go till revs catch up and is surprisingly easy to keep up with the traffic. Even with a 5.45m boat on the back I have not found it neccessayr to slip the clutch to such an extent that some people claim to, original clutch is great (touch wood!!) after 175km, that said though I always use low range on boat ramps as it cures both the lack of power and provides a far more controlled ascent than to rev the $hit out of it to get it to pull away inhigh range. Mine has towed the boat for fair amount of kays in fifth and though the gearbox is weaker than the 4.2 it is beautiful to use and mine is yet to have any probs. If you want to go a bit, and I stress a bit, faster then go the petrol but I dont want your fuel bill for doing so. I drove both when deciding and just found the 4.5 petrol had no go across the upper rev range and the horrendous fuel bills drove me towards the 2.8l.
I know that this will evoke some interesting replies but I believe it was a retrograde step for Nissan to drop the 2.8 for the 3.0. Both lack power off boost and though the 3.0l is a more powerful donk there have been far less issues with it. Any way how could you go wrong with a 2.8l 6 cylinder?
Some people are unaware of this but the RD28 and RD28ETi are relations of the RB series of striaght sixes that are found in Nissan Skylines. In the RB25ET some people are reliably making 250-300kw out of these engines so the block is more than capable of handling a chip and exhaust upgrades that would bring it close to the factory 3.0 without to much fuss if more go is your thing.
Don't doubt the 2.8, it's economical and atleast it will get there!
When new one comes along it'll be the 4.2 though.
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Follow Up By: GQ_TUFF - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:46

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:46
I agree,
Had the TB42 duel fuel in my GQ a bit better of the line but not any better once rolling plus you needed to tow an oil rig around with you!!! , but the 2.8 sings on the Highway. I had no probs maintaning 120km/h on the stepest hills on the F3 out of syd in 5th gear. Plus the joy of filling up in sydney driving to newcastle having a full day in the dunes at stockton, then coming home through some rough tracks through the wattegens, and to work for the next 4 days on the same tank of deisel. I have never found I need to slip the clutch at all. Right revs right gear for the conditions and its better than the old GQ for sure! I am not racing out to mod it when the exhaust needs looking at then I may explore options then. For now its sweet as!
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Reply By: PatrolBen - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:37

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 22:37
And after all that mate I forgot to say:
Happy welcome to the 2200rpm club
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Reply By: Imscullinbeer - Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 23:55

Friday, Sep 22, 2006 at 23:55
Hey GQ_TUFF,

I've had my 2.8 for about 2 years now and besides some suspension upgrades, regular servicing and a heap of backyard mods, have had no problems and had nothing to do to it. It's been to some pretty remote spots around WA and never missed a beat. It is booked in for dieselgas on the 5th of October so will let you know how it goes.

Have fun!
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 16:06

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 16:06
can't wait for the report on the LPG, mine's booked in for December

Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: blaster7 - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 08:35

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 08:35
Hello to all I also have a 98 2.8td which has just clocked 100,000kms. Our local mechanic who services several 3.0 Nissan,s claims the 2.8 is far more responsive.
I tow a camper trailer around W.A and found it more than adequate I have now fitted a roof rack for the boat, now I have to find a place for the motor but that's another story.Keep the service,s upto it and you should be right.
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Reply By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 10:00

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 10:00
Hi Stefan,
I have written quite a few responses on how good the 2.8 is, if you've missed them let me know I will try to dig them up and let you know where they are.
If you think they go well now may I suggest you spend $1500 and put a Motson's chip in it and leave the 3lt's behind at the lights and the hwy, no, I'm not joking, I have done it a couple of times, EO member Trevor will attest to that and he drives a 4.2lt with the stage 2 MTQ upgrade.
I also own a 4.2lt GU with dump pipe, exhaust and tune-up done, SWMBO was following me in the 2.8 with an empty heavy duty 8x5 off road box trailer hooked up, when we got to a particularly steep hill in fourth at around 80kph she had to back off so as to not run up my backside, I dropped into third to get going when I saw her coming, albeit too late, she stayed in fourth to the top.
Don't get me wrong, the 4.2 is a great motor, but I think Nissan screwed up when they stuck the 3.9 diff gears in it, It's just too tall for the motor to pull comfortably, when finances allow ( apparently I have too many toys ) I am putting 4.11 back into it, like the GQ's, and hopefully get some power and GQ fuel economy back.
IMHO the Motson's box is the single best value for dollar mod you could do to the 2.8.
As I have said in other posts, mine has 250000k's on it and has given no probs except with the fuel pump, which was a common, easy fixed problem with that model, and the top radiator tank hose connections deteriorating, still doesn't use any oil between changes.

Avagoodn
Pezza
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Follow Up By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:23

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:23
Stefan, have a look at post 36760 for more info.

Pezza
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Reply By: PatrolBen - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 10:18

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 10:18
Hey Pezza, the one thing that has always been funny with my 2.8 is that unless it is warm it does not fire after the glow plugs go out without a lot of cranking. I have not thought much of it and waited about six seconds after the glow plugs go off before cranking and it fires first time everytime. I was looking through some old posts and found some info about a kit by Motsons that was a replacement shim or something for the fuel pump that fixed this proble. From memory, as I cant find the particular thread again, it was something about the pump not allowing enough fuel to pass when starting due to a worn out shim ?????
I rang Motons this morning and found that there not open on weekends. If you have any info on this kit, price ect could you please let me know. I have come to live with the six second wait but to elimnate it would be frigging brilliant.
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - Pezza (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:16

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:16
Hi Ben ( I'm assuming it's Ben :-)

That's the problem I was refering to, in some cases it gets no worse, and in others it gets to the point where it just refuses to start when warm, like ours.
Ours was like yours initialy, so I got the mod done $120 at Motsons, that fixed it for a while and then it started again but got worse very quickly, I'm talking within 5 days of the problem starting again ( about 6 months after the mod ). It finally refused to start for me in a shopping centre carpark, after nearly flattening the battery trying different techniques I sat and thought about for a while, figuring that it starts immediatly when cold I went into Woollies and bought a couple of 2 ltr bottles of water ( forgot to refill the bottle I generally keep in the car after giving the dog a drink ) and poured some over the fuel pump, hit the key and presto, away she went straight away. After talking to just about everyone in brisbane that has anything to do with diesels I eventually opted to put another pump on, ( $350 from the wreckers, came off an engine that was sold as an exchange eng with 90000k's on it. $2700 new. )
The eventual conclusion was that it was a stuffed sensor, not the actual pump, giving the wrong info to the computer, no-one knew enough about them to come up with a definate answer or which sensor it could be.
This was done about a year ago and the only thing with it since is we do exactly what you are doing except ours is 4 secs, has been the same time for over a year now so it's not getting any worse, I figure as long as it stays like this, after the last time I ain't touching it with the spacer plate until it doesn't start anymore.
My opinion is that most times it's a sensor problem, not a pump problem, try pouring cold water over the pump when warm and see if that makes a difference, a lot of pumps have the mod done and have never had another problem, mine may just have been coincidence, hard to say.
BTW, the spacer plate they fit is supplied by Nissan direct, ie. they are aware of the problem, just don't try to get them to admit it ! ala, 3ltr.
Sorry if I've added more confusion to your dilemna, but don't you just love motorized vehicles :-))

Avagoodn
Pezza
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 16:04

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 16:04
Gday Pezza and Ben, had similar problems stating hot with mine, was inconsistant though. A few weeks ago I fitted an electric fuel pump to help the fuel flow a bit. Haven't had the problem since, but its only been a few weeks. Have read and heard the addition of the extra pump can greatly increase the life of the injection pump.

Will post if problem returns.

Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: PatrolBen - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 12:36

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 12:36
Thanks for that mate, It aint hurting it so I aint gonna touch it. I was just wondering if this is a common thing (which obviously it is).
Thanks for the reply.

Ben
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Reply By: GQ_TUFF - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 14:05

Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 14:05
Hi Guys,
Touch wood I have not experienced this starting problem yet?? At least I am prepared if it comes. Mine now has 117000 on it, I am REALLY interested to hear about the Gas injection system and how the car goes with it.
O.K I am going of on a new direction here, I thought I got a great deal on mine I paid $20000 even down from the $21990 sticker price with TJM winchbar, Warn 9000lb winch, safari snorkle, KAMAR rear bar, HELLA 6" spread and pencil beam and Duel batt's, it had 109000kms on it when purchased. Its the ST as well.
How does that sound to everyone? Was it a fair price or a good price? Well I guess I'm happy so its a good price!!

Just curious thats all
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 00:44

Monday, Sep 25, 2006 at 00:44
Gday again Stefan

I have been too scared to look at resale etc, as I have had mine for about 4 years. As a referance, I sort of hate to say that I paid $34,000.00 for mine when I got it (70,000km) and have since paid extra for the winchbar, the winch, the dual battery system, the spotties, the roof bars; and I am still to get the dual spare carrier, the lpg addition, and suspension upgrade to get all of this off the ground, so in comparison, you have done well.

Cheers Andrew
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