Suspension for Td5 Discovery 2000 Model
Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 21:32
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arowanaman
I am about to upgrade my
suspension in my Td5 Series 2 Disco. I want to increase the ride height by at least 50mm. We are heading off next May and will be doing plenty of off road work. I will be towing a
Ranger XTC Campomatic with a Stacer 400 Bass Elite on top of the Camper.
What package or brand of
suspension can anyone recommend. I have looked at so many, but when I think I have decided on one, I hear a negative and then it is back to the drawing board.
I am keen to replace springs shocks, steering dampener, bushes, what ever needs to be done to have a reliable package. Any advice appreciated.
Regards
Glenn
Reply By: ACDC - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 22:11
Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 22:11
arowanaman,
I would go with Bilsteins and king springs, make sure you use a Bilstein steering damper as
well these are the only ones we found that work on Disco's
Bilsteins were developed in Australia for the Landrovers.
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Follow Up By: arowanaman - Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 22:50
Tuesday, Sep 26, 2006 at 22:50
I am located on the
Gold Coast Qld, is there anyone that you could recommend for the install etc...
Thanks
Glenn
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 19:08
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 19:08
Late reply!
But you could also ring
Sydney shocks they are the Australian importers of bilstein, they may know someone in your area.
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Reply By: Member - Rotord - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 00:09
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 00:09
I put Old Man Emu springs and shocks on my Series 2 , kept the original steering damper . Terrific rig , and the lift was about 50mm .
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Follow Up By: arowanaman - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 00:25
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 00:25
What do you tow with the new
suspension set-up, what has been the most noticable improvement with the Old Man Emu over the standard shocks/springs....
Was there any reason why you did not upgrade the steering damper, or was it because ARB had nothing to offer you for the Disco....
Regards
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Member - Rotord - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:16
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 20:16
I tow a 19.5ft fibreglass boat [ about the heaviest load possible for single axle ] , on road only . Handles fine . The Old Man Emu springs and shocks are much more heavy duty , but remain comfortable , responsive , and pleasant to drive . Off road , they are highly capable , and this reflects the good reports that the serious Disco offroaders in the USA make .
Didn't change the steering damper because it seemed to be doing its job .
The standard springs were sagging after 150,000km of on road use , and the shocks weren't much better . I expect the OME gear to handle more than what I can throw at it .
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Reply By: Richard D - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 06:49
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 06:49
arowanaman,
I have a Series 2 Disco with the Bilsteins and King springs combo and it's just terrific.
Ricks 4WD Centre at unit 1, 21
Lawrence Drive Nerang Ph 55966662 can fit these for you. He's been servicing my Landrovers for years and you will find that he is very reasonably priced and knows Landrovers back to front. They are the only vehicles he deals with,
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: arowanaman - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:19
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:19
Hi Richard,
I also use Rick, did not think to ask him about the
suspension. I am seeing him next week. What sort of $$$ did he sting you.
Thanks
Glenn
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Reply By: Richard D - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 10:21
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 10:21
HI Glenn,
From memory ,and
mine is hopeless, it was around $1200 both for the shocks and King springs.
As one of the other posts mentioned is is good practice to replace the steering damper when you replace all the shocks.
As I also tow a camper trailer (around 1tonne) I fitted heavy duty springs to the rear.
We've just come back from a trip to
Cape York with a group of friends and the Bilsteins were fantastic. You can buy novelty number plates which say 9,460,000 corrugations to go and I reckon that it's about 2,000,000 short.
The only brand of shocks that failed on the trip were the OME ones. There were 4 failures on one vehicle alone and I'm talking fitted brand new before the start of the trip.
Just be careful, but Rick will advise you, around 40mm is the optimum lift on a TD5 before you start having to lengthen drive shafts etc.... .
Good Luck
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: arowanaman - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:35
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:35
Glad that I have heard the same story a few times about the OME. I was keen on them, but held off as I have been hearing some failure reports.
I think the Bilstein and Kings might just be the way to go. So was the steering damper in the total price...
40-50mm ride height is all that I am after. Do you know what Kings you fitted to the rear and how does the Td5 drive when you have no load on the back??
Thanks
Glenn
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Reply By: Richard D - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 14:41
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 14:41
Sorry to be so long in replying.
Yes the steering damper was in the final price.
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: arowanaman - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 14:46
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 14:46
Excellent, I will talk to Rick next week when my Disco goes in for some surgery. Fitting a new radiator, hoses,
water pump etc etc. Just making everything new before the big trip next May.
Do you live on the
Gold Coast, I would be keen to see the ride height of your Disco before fitting the
suspension. Just want to make sure I make the right decision this time. Have been down this road before with other vehicles, and have changed the
suspension over and over before getting it right. Not intending on wasting any pennies this tiem round.
Thanks
Glenn
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Reply By: Richard D - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 14:58
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 14:58
I try again, too keen on pushing buttons.
The vehicle handles very
well with H/D springs on the rear and standards on the front. Certainly a lot better than I expected.
I don't know the spring ratings for them as originally I put standards on both the front and rear and clearly it was not up to scratch when I was towing the fully laden C/T.
Rick replaced the rears with H/d ones for free. About the only thing I do notice is that the rears are certainly of a much heavier gauge than the fronts.
I was also keen on the OME shocks for the vehicle until I started undertaking a fair bit of research, talking with L/Rover owners specifically and went off them. But when I actually saw the failures, that's put me off them forever.
It may
well be that OME's are ideal for some vehicles. By the way the failures were on a reasonably new Troopy. Had about 60,000kms on the clock.
I tend to like to do my own research and satisfy my own specific questions. Although this
forum is excellent, there seems to be some opinions expressed that seem to result from somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who thinks that they may have overheard someone saying they had a problem.
Cheers
Richard
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Reply By: Richard D - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 15:02
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 15:02
You are certainly welcome to have a look. Give me a bell on 0428942060 when you are ready.
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: arowanaman - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 15:19
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 15:19
Thanks Richard,
I'll give you a call over the next few days. Have you done any other mods to the Td5. I drove Ricks the other week, he has done the engine management software upgrade, standard exhaust, seemed to have plenty more grunt.
Regards
Glenn
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Reply By: Richard D - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 15:42
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 15:42
Glenn,
I've done quite a bit to
mine including the chip upgrade, replacing the aluminium radiator with a copper one, dual batteries, TJM winch bar,spotties, cargo barrier etc etc . I'll show you when we meet up.
The chip upgrade certainly has made a difference as you've noticed. Also, in one of my madder moments installed a couple of hyclones , but I could not say that they have done anything more than relieve me of a few hundred dollars.
Catch up
Cheers
Richard.
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Follow Up By: arowanaman - Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 16:12
Wednesday, Sep 27, 2006 at 16:12
Looking forward to seeing it. I did the TJM Dual Battery system the other week, they dId not have a tray at the time, so it is a TJM electrics with an ARB battery tray.
I also had the 12 volt outlet upgraded in the rear cargo area and heavy duty wiring out the rear with Anderson Plug to supply juice to the camper. All works a treat.
Glenn
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Reply By: Member - Rotord - Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:26
Thursday, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:26
Let's put the reported failure of the OME shocks into perspective . For years now , OME springs and shocks have been severely used and have had an excellent reputation . Now we have one report of failure and all the previous experience is thrown out the window !
It may
well be that all of a sudden , OME has suddenly stopped making a good product and has started making grossly defective rubbish . But before we take that giant presumptive leap shouldn't we investigate just a little further ?
The obvious questions to ask are :
Was the failed equipment OME , new , complete , correctly installed , appropriate for the vehicle and task ,and not abused .
Why hasn't all the other OME equipment in use failed ?
Apart from OME , ARB is known to be careful of their reputation as to selling quality gear , have they stopped selling OME , or commented ?
Has OME been approached for comment ?
Was this a "one off " incident with a known and corrected cause ?
If all OME is to be discarded on the basis of this report , do we discard all Bilsteins when we get a similar incident with them ? I am reminded of a convoy of 4WD vehicles that went
Adelaide to the gulf and back , all the Toyota's and Nissan's had failures and the lone Defender had none : perhaps we should all drive Defenders , until one of them fails .
Last , four failures on the one vehicle ? If one had failed it would much more indicate a problem with OME , for four to fail I would suspect the particular vehicle fit .
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