Swimming pools - top up

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:21
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A bit off topic but because of the water restrictions I am looking at some means of harvesting the water run off from roof to top up swimming pool.

Apart from using a tank, has anyone any ideas on how to do this, preferably on an automatic basis?

Pedro
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:37

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:37
All we've done for years is divert the down pipe off the corner of the house out over the pool. The house is less than 2 metres from the pool which makes it easy.
When the pool is nearly full we then put it back down the drain.
I've just got another piece of stormwater pipe that runs on the surface under the pool fence, we don't have to walk there very often as it only goes round the side.
I've wondered about an automatic system using a dunny cistern for a long while but as it never rains enough here to overflow the pool more than a couple of times a year I've never worried.
For the last 5 or 6 years I've only ever had to top the pool up with the hose once so it is well worth while.
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Reply By: Rigor - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:44

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:44
I am soon to be in the same boat (Pine Shire) Apart from the obvious of diverting the downpipe to the pool (which is fine if it rains) I can't see how we can do it without some form of storage . I have a highset house and would like a tank above ground level , I can use gravity to top up the pool when required , anything underground would require a pump . I think the question is what form of storage is required for the particular situation , the slimline 500 litre tanks are hardly worth the effort but easy to find a spot for . I am hoping to fit a 10,000 litre but of course that weighs 10 Tonnes when full and quite large . I wonder how long the rebates will last?

Cheers Dave L.
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:52

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:52
Peter 2 and Rigor,
Thanks.
I have a round downpipe a couple of metres from pool and could divert it easily.

However, i want to be able to leave whatever i put on in place if we go away for a few weeks.

Don't have room for a tank though a very small one (20/30 litres) would probably do the trick by attaching it to downpipe and having a hose run to pool to be attached to a cut out float , set at required level in pool.

Pedro
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:27

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:27
20-30 litres is probably not enough as we can lose about 25 -35mm of water out of the pool in evaporation on a hot, dry day. Which on a 30 x 15 pool is a huge amount of water.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:38

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:38
With that much water loss, i would say you have a leak in your pool

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:49

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:49
That's what I used to think too but when the hot dry norwester's blow here in sydney that's what evaporates, most of the year it is ok.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 17:25

Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 17:25
25mm loss wouldn't be uncommon in a hot northerly!
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:04

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:04
In Brisy, I am diverting my down pipe to the pool. Roof area about 30 sq.m., so it almost doubles the pool area.
But over the last year, have not had to top up from the mains, actually last time was July 2005.
I try and maximise storage in the pool.
I let my pool (55,000l in ground) fill right up to the top of the coping (no drain except over the coping), and it drops through evaporation to less than 12 mm over the skimmer box if it is dry for over 6 months. I just adjust kreepy so that 80% of the return goes through kreepy. Don't have a pool heater either, so evaporation does not increase with the warmer water. The water is a bit cold at the moment!
I have a 5000l tank on the other down pipe now, so could use some of that, but it is mainly used to feed the washing machine. Have had to run the WM for for 4 weeks off mains so far this year. Thinking of another 5000l tank.
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:18

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:18
I'm surprised that the W.A. Gov. haven't clamped down on pool users while we have water restrictions. People are still installing pools and topping up existing ones with sceam water.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:21

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:21
Water restrictions in WA are a bit of a farce IMHO. Industry uses ~75% of all water and they face zero restrictions. The vast majority of all business's have options to minimise or recycle water yet this is not encouraged as it eats into the Govt's revenue base.

Yet the domestic sector (us!) bear the brunt of criticism for overusing water and face water restrictions. The expensive TV ads about the public conserving water is more based on the Govt appearing to do the right thing while maintaining their revenue base.

To restrict topping up of pools (or stop installing them) would put the deathknock on a healthy and fun activity for many, many children. My children (and my friends/neighbors) spend many hours in warmer weather enjoying themselves while getting a good dose of exercise and social development.

To stop pool topups in the name of water restrictions would go against the encouraging of healthy activities for children, all for the sake of a few kilolitres of water a year that industry squanders by the megalitres.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Pavo - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:24

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:24
I can't speak for others, but I won't shower if I've had a swim in a fresh water pool. Also, some people water the lawn/garden that a pool would replace and this can use just as much water.

And I think it would be a lazy law to target things like pools...some people have long showers without using a water saver shower head, but this can't be enforced.

Do you have any statistics that suggest pool owners are a major contributor to the water shortages?
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Reply By: stevesub - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:41

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:41
We live on Bribie Is, QLD and have only topped our pool up once this year from the mains. As we are moving houses, a "Lenny Water Diverter" (do a search on the net for this) will have to wait until we get to the new house. This diverts water from your downpipe to the pool.

I think that Bunnings also sell a similar device and cheaper.

Also looking at a tank from pool topping up at the new house (no room for a resonable size one where we live now). We only clean our pool filter every second month now which saves a heap.

Pools use only a fraction of the water used and yet are being targeted as we are an easy target, just like 4WD vehciles and owners. Our own water consumption is 1/3 of the average household in our Shire but we have always used water saving practises and water efficent devices so we cannot save much more without going down the big tank route.

Stevesub
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:21

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:21
Actually pools can use a lot more water than you think. Check out the article at http://www.daisypoolcovers.com.au/pdf/FactSheet_1_Evaporation.pdf for some good water loss figures.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Peter - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 21:55

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 21:55
I notice the link is from a provider of pool covers. Do you honestly believe they are not out to provide figures to sell their product. This was proven when the Qld Govt first decided to implement compulsory pool covers. There stats were provided by a pool cover provider and knocked by many sources. According to the figures provided for the Govt my pool would empty itself every 6 months when in actual fact I'm lucky to top it up (about 2 inches) twice a year. (Bit like S***y providing figures for 4wd accidents). My opinion anywhow, I won't be rushing out to buy a pool cover
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 22:30

Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 22:30
Agreed Peter. I top up muy pool (about 2 inches) 3 or 4 times a year. My pool is solar heated, so in the summer I get a bit more evaporation. Of course we should be concerned about water used in pools, but it is largely a beat up.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 10:13

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 10:13
Peter, where exactly is this information incorrect? Back up your statement with facts! I have provided the link in good faith as i have found it an easy way to explain some of the basic concepts of water evaporation without baffling anyone with complicated formulas/tables.

Take away the fact that it is from a Pool Cover supplier, what is wrong with the info as you seem to have more knowledge that i'm not aware of. I never pushed the fact that you need a pool cover, i don't even know the business, just read the data and find the incorrect info......

I would be very surprised if you had a net evaporation loss of 100mm per year unless you live in a rather wet area. Highly unlikely to be the case in most places in Qld, especially in these dry times.

As far as i know, the Qld Government wouldn't have "implemented compulsory pool covers", rather it be the Local Councils, as it is not compulsory where i live up North.....Do you have reference to where these "sources" knock figures. I am unable to recall such an instance, even though it may have been the case.

For the record, i own a 10m x 5m x 1.2m concrete inground pool in Mackay which will evaporate an average of 25-50mm per week in the months from around Nov-Mar (not taking into account rainfall).

Norm C, how does your solar heating system work? I would have thought that they have a cutoff/shutoff valve or similar to stop the system overheating the pool. I know that my system use to have a electronic controller which would bypass the heating pipes at certain temperature differentials. Yours may be different :-)

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Ferret - Saturday, Oct 07, 2006 at 14:49

Saturday, Oct 07, 2006 at 14:49
Was topping up my pool almost weekly, put on blanket and have not topped it up since. I actually thought I had a Leak (pool was new) and was suprised how much water it used. Also, chlorinator has gone from being maxed out to just ticking over. My advice to anyone with a pool is to put a blanket on it...the difference is huge
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Reply By: jep - Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 13:07

Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 13:07
Have a look at the Lenny downpipe diverter

See Site Link

johno
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 13:30

Friday, Oct 13, 2006 at 13:30
Thanks Johno, an interesting method but unfortunately it is manual.

I contacted the owner and he said there will be an automatic model available in about 6 months.

Pedro
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