Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 20:05
There is a lot of ignorance on this subject. Most mechanics have never received training on it's use, and know little about it, besides some myth or rumour or other.
Manufacturers live on the testing and advice received from the oil manufacturers, most of which have full-time reps onsite with the manufacturers. They don't want people introduced to alternative products, and the manufacturers thus have no reason to provide balanced information on the question. They promote Fear Uncertainty and Doubt instead.
There are a number of real questions:
1. what really matters to you - if the manufacturer's warranty is
well and truly over, then at least for me, what they say doesn't matter a toss
2. why do you want to use it? For me, fact is that it is a sustainable
fuel, with NO emissions to speak of. I actually pay about 10cpl less than dino diesel too (if you are in SA, you can buy it from a number of SAFF outlets at this price).
3. what will it do to your engine? For most modern engine, and not so modern, like the '99 1HZ I have, it will run smoother, similar efficiency, and cleaner - thus increasing engine life.
It is likely to require an additional replacement of a
fuel filter, as it cleans out crud from years of fossil
fuel use in your
fuel system (Biodiesel is a better solvent). Older engines with natural rubber will need hoses and the like replaced - but they would need this to use Low Sulpher Diesel anyway.
Interesting too that BMW, MB and Volkswagen all positively encourage the use of Biodiesel in Europe (for the same engines).
There is an Australian Standard for Biodiesel which all retailers are supposed to comply with - if they don't you can report them. The standard is more stringent than the standard for fossil
fuel diesel.
Lastly, like with any bad
fuel, if your engine is affected by Biodiesel from a retail outlet, take a sample of the
fuel; report them, and seek recompense from them.
Cheers
Andrew smelling like the fish and chip
shop.
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Follow Up By: hl - Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 21:12
Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 21:12
Hi,
Now, that's a whole lot easier to say than to do (to prove the
fuel caused your problem)! Besides, it is not likely that your problem occurs on the first few tankfuls, rather, it may take months or a couple of years if the
fuel causes excessive wear in the pump, for things to actually fail.
As I understand, it is not the car manufacturers that are cautious, it is more the
fuel injector suppliers, and there are not that many different ones out there. The conventional ones are probably ok, but all the new DI diesels use very high pressure injection and these may have problems with bio.
As for being so green, it has been said that it takes a couple of liters of dino diesel in the farming, refining etc etc process to come up with a liter of bio.....
The jury is still out.
If your car manufacturer says 5%, I would stick with it. It would be a wonderful marketing tool to be able to claim that "our cars can run on 100% renewable bio".
So far no maker is running with that and it may be for good reasons.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 22:04
Saturday, Oct 14, 2006 at 22:04
Well I could prove that the 2 litres of
water and crud in the Fossil
fuel diesel from the
truck stop in
Dalby that I picked up a year or so ago was the cause.
You're right about one pump manufacturer that alleges that their pump won't support B100, but they do allow B20 in Europe.
Your allegations about the carbon emissions and energy consumption to produce Biodiesel are wrong - they sound nice, but you forget that most of the Biodiesel manufacturers are accounting for that with net zero emissions and other means of producing a mathematically (at any rate) sustainable product. If it really took two litres of diesel at $1.30 per litre to make one litre of Biodiesel at $1.20 per litre people would be exiting the industry pretty fast don't you think?
Further, significant amounts of Biodiesel are made from waste vegetable oil ... think about that in energy cost or carbon emission terms.
The jury is not out. The jury has spoken in all sorts of European languages.
Try it and see - I have been running B100 for 90,000 km except when I am stuck somewhere that it isn't available. It is all good.
TransAdelaide;
Sydney City Council and a number of other large fleet operators have made the switch. Time to get with the program me thinks.
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Follow Up By: hl - Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 06:45
Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 06:45
Hi,
Well, the truth is probably somewhere in-between. However, I have read somewhere that to grow enough crops to make bio fuels to displace fossil
fuel would require that we don't eat. There is no way it can be produced in those quantities without displacing food crops, and even then it won't be enough.
Don't get me wrong, I like the thought of it, but as with solar panels running your whole house etc etc... the reality is very different to the hype that's often associated with these things.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: hl - Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 06:50
Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 06:50
Hi agin,
It is one thing to prove that you copped a bad load of
fuel with
water in it, and quite another to prove that your pump has failed after 50,000k on bio....
As long as the folks who sell you the stuff can claim it complies with aussie
fuel standards, you're on your own. Especially if your car maker says only 5% is ok.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Batman69 - Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:26
Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:26
Andrew,
I am a little confused how a diesel internal combustion engine produces in your words "No emissions to speak of"?
It would have been more accurate stating bio diesel burned cleaner than petroleum diesel.
There will still be emissions, not all of them environmentally friendly, the amount and type of emission given off will be dependant on the type of biodiesel and the engine it is used in.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 14:29
Sunday, Oct 15, 2006 at 14:29
Batman's being pedantic ... no Nitrous Oxides or harmful emissions.
Does that help?
Biodiesel by it's nature is esters of fatty acids.
Zero emissions is the terminology used.
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