Stove ooptions/mods
Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 16:40
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D-Jack
Hi there
Had a camper trailer custom built recently, only option if we wanted TWO gas bottle holders was to have them just to the front of the guards. A bit of a pain, but willing to live with that to have 2 rather than 1 and have to carry the other in the trailer (otherwise would had to have mucked around with the balance of things over axle etc.)
Anyway, means the cyliner is further away from where the stove on the kitchen is (about 1.7m). My current stove is a Jackaroo (Kmart) 3 burner, has performed faultlessly. I will not have the cyliner permanently plumbed, but wanted to just add the hose when we stop and not have to take the cyliner out each time.
I understand that max hose length for unregulated High Pressure delivery is 1.2m, whereby if regulated then max length is 3m (from Maxbilt in
Adelaide)
Question, will my simple Jackaroo 3 burner (same as Primus) stove still work if using a regulator, are there any advantages or disadvantages? I will obviously need to add a t-piece and reg to the cylinder and get a hose custom made.
Regards to all and thanks for reading.
D-Jack
Reply By: kangas - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:17
Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:17
D-Jack, went trough that exercise just now.
The burners for high presure gas wil not burn on low pressure, I finished up buying a low pressure stove so I can use longer hose, and dont have to cary the gas bottle to the stove all the time.
Also if you have fixed gas pipes and couplings you have to get it done by a lincensed gas fitter.
I am not sure if there is a maximum lenght of hose for low pressure but.
Hope this helps
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:34
Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:34
Kangas
From what I have interpreted from the guy at Maxbilt, a regulator does not necessarily lower the pressure of the flow much, just regulates to a consistant flow so that there are no flareups, flickering etc. My info was that so long as it was regulated (using a proper regulator like you get on the big bbqs), you can go up to 3m hose.
What low pressure stove did you get by the way, and what was the cost? Interested in case my source was wrong or I misinterpreted what he said
D-JAck
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Follow Up By: Longreach - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:42
Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:42
Kangas,
Wondering if you know how many BTUs the low pressure stove is ? We are just going through the process of changing from a low pressure stove to a high pressure one because my wife says the one we have is too slow and it drives her mad (and that drives me mad). Personally I dont see a huge rush when we are
camping but I must admit the stove we have can be very slow, especially when it's windy. I don't know how many BTUs it was rated at but looking at new ones it seems 10,000 is the way to go.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 23:03
Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 23:03
What if you increase the diameter of the gas line?
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:03
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:03
Shaker, would have thought if you increase the diameter of the gas line you would get exactly the same amount of flow provided the outlet (at the stove) was still the same size, wouldn't the hose just have a higher storage capacity?
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 23:12
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 23:12
No, you get more flow because there is less wall friction.
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Follow Up By: Member - BBB - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:54
Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:54
See your loacal Gas Fitter and he will change the ingecters to larger ones with in the stoves limits you can often go up about 3 sizes.
Hope this Helps
BBB
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Reply By: mfewster - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:51
Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 17:51
I don't know the answer, however from previous dealings with Maxbilt in
Adelaide I would rely completely on their advice.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:04
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:04
Thanks
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Reply By: kangas - Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 19:00
Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006 at 19:00
I was lucky enough to buy a stove from a camper trailer place that was an insurance claim, had a few scratches but working, I only found out about low and high pressure units when I tried to connect some hose's and would not fit.
I believe you have better control over low pressure units, like in a BBQ and more efficient in gas use.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 00:47
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 00:47
D-Jack,
All "low pressure" stoves operate via a regulator connected somewhere between the stove and the gas bottle. Some regulators are directly attached to the bottle then a hose transfers gas to the stove. Other regulators are connected directly to the stove inlet with a hose back to the bottle. All of these are "low pressure" systems.
The "high pressure" systems have no regulator at all, but rely on jets in the hose, or the stove's burners to control the gas flow. In my experience stoves such as the Primus and Companion range are "high pressure" systems and do not have a regulator. These units can cause problems in dusty conditions if the jets become blocked, then the "cook" becomes frustrated.
The Coleman range of gas stoves have no jets to become blocked and rely on a regulator to deliver the appropriate amount of gas at any one time. I have owned two such units. The first unit had a small regulator which attached directly to the gas bottle and delivered gas via a flexible hose. The latest unit has a similar looking regulator, but this connects directly to the stove and has a short length of solid tubing with a fitting on the end that takes either a unique "coleman" disposible gas bottle, or a flexible hose which in turn attaches to any commercially available gas bottle with a 3/8" fitting.
I originally used (still have it in the shed) a Companion two burner stove but after a couple of trips where dust got into the jets, I gave it the flick in favour of the Coleman twin burner stove. The flame control on the Coleman is infinitely adjustable from a low simmer to a fully open flame of some 10,000 BTU and you can operate one burner on fiull and the other on a low simmer concurrently.
Now, just to prove I am not pushing a particular brand, I have experienced minor problems with the Coleman brand.
The first one after a couple of years use, melted the insulation from the electronic ignition wires due to the heat and it wouldn't self ignite. The paint also "disappeared" around each burner underneath the stove although it still worked OK when lit from an external source. I have just "upgraded" to the newer model Coleman and found last week when using for the first time, the electronic ignition only worked a few times then refused to ignite the burners. This may be due to "dodgy" gas in the 3 kg bottle I use for the stove and I intend emptying what is left and refilling to see if this fixes the problem. In any case I always have an electronic hand held igniter handy to light the stove if the built-in ignition doesn't work.
Overall though, the "low pressure" stove is much more reliable and controllable and I would recommend this type of stove for outback travel, especially where bulldust can contaminate the jet type stoves. The only way to clean the jets successfully, is to remove them and force compressed air through them and one soon gets tired of this process.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:02
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:02
Thanks Sandman
How much does one of these 2 burner colemans cost? I looked on the coleman site but there's so many and it doesn't say whether they are LP or HP?
D-Jack
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:30
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:30
D-Jack
www.grangerscampingworld.com.au/
are selling non electronic ignition Coleman two burner stoves for $94. It looks as if Coleman no longer do the electronic ignition version? Although you might find one in stock somewhere for about $20 more.
I'll 2nd everything Sandman has said about the Coleman stove and add that low pressure stoves perform _much_ better in cold conditions (below about +5C) than high pressure stoves. I've used my Coleman at -5C and it boiled the kettle in about the same time as +40C. Excellent stove.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 00:02
Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 00:02
Just for reference.
The electronic ignition model Coleman I bought recently at "Rays Outdoors" was this one: Coleman Instastart
It appears to be a new model more in line with the shape of the "Roadtrip Grill".
The non electronic model was still available in the previous shape.
Maybe the reason for the change of design in the electronic ignition model was due to other units failing like
mine had? (insulation on ignition wires melting)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bagging the product. The old one still works (minus the electronic ignition) but I was concerned what appeared to be overheating around the base of the burners.
I guess time will tell.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 00:18
Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 00:18
Forgot to add something.
The "Instastart" model stove has the burners slightly further away from the "pot stand" or whatever it is called.
Allows more even toasting of your breakfast bread, although your still need to keep your eye on the process as its bloody quick.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:09
Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 06:09
The electronic ignition has worked
well, for years, on
mine?
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Follow Up By: flappa - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 13:27
Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 13:27
Another vote for the Coleman ,
mine with lecky ignition.
I bought
mine specifically for the CT as I dont want flareups inside a canvas area.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 04:59
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 04:59
G day D-Jack
I have a $40,, 2 burner Chinese cast low pressure line, for my Trak Shak camper ,, mounted on the back door ,,,,Big deal you say !
Was sick and tired of removing the gas 9 kg gas bottle, every day ,,,,,, went to my local hardware store, and
well supported
camping store, and wanted the longest gas line,, Same deal 1.2-1.5 mts was the longest ,,
Then I thought, why not get Oxy - Acetelene line ,, its approved and would certainly handle LPG for my stove
The local CIG agent managed to get 10 mts of line ( un-fitted ), and I coupled this to my Gas Cylinder with U-Beaut top of range quick release " snap couplings "
PROBLEM solved,,
Now its 2 seconda and I just grab this line and have my kitchen anywhere I like ,,, Within 10 mts of the camper ,,, Much safer
Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:01
Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:01
I like the idea of fitting snap fittings, but my understanding is that 10m is not legal, even for low pressure, and you can only go up to 3m. How do the big cast iron burners go in the wind, and on more delicate things like a frypan/saucepan or especially cooking toast on those fly wire toasters?
Thanks for the reply
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 05:07
Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 05:07
D-Jack
Yes there was a problem in the wind, with my chinese Cast Iron burner,,!
But it was easily solved by making a folding shroud / windbreak.
I do not know about the legality of a 10 mt line, but I see no wrong in doing the extension thingy,, it makes life a whole lot easier, and lets face it, SAFER, which is what the exercise is about.
Cooking toast is a problem at the moment, because we have the wrong gadget we have
tried, but not used one of those wire toasters, and seem to work fine
If you like I can send you pics of the setup !
Cheers Bucky
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