I will never live this down, a fiasco, all credibility gone....

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 09:34
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The fraternity of revered “Cobb cooker owners” will never accept me into their ranks..

The wife laughs at me, the kids –well it’s nice to see your kids happy but!!!

To set the scene;

Read a lot about the Cobb cookers, all good reports.
Go the 4wd show in Adelaide.
Buy a Cobb –beeeuuutiful leg of lamb n vegies being cooked too, convinced wifey.
Get home too late Sunday to experiment.
Monday, have read the book, prepared meat n vegies, lit fire, beads nicely changing colour….set and forget.
Have a drinky –says so in the book and remembering what I have read DO NOT open lid for 45mins.
Son comes around, “hang about for a little while and I’ll show you how good this Cobb cooking is”…have another drinky.
Moment of truth, open the lid to turn meat n veg………..bloody raw still and the fire is as cold as charity.
Son,,hahahahahaha
Me,,GF
Wifey comes home…….laughs –long and loud!!

Too late now so steak on the BBQ.

Tuesday, read book again.
Take particular note re lighting of fire etc.
Used different brand of heat beads.
Just over an hour later and heat beads don’t even look like changing colour, more fire lighters.
Another 40 mins and heat beads still black on top.
Give up, put vegies in oven and open a tin of ready to go meat pie!!!!!!!!!!
Have a drinky.

Wifey comes home expecting a juicy, mouth-watering leg of lamb with taste bud tingling fresh vegetables cooked in our new Cobb.

Explodes with laughter and could not get on the ‘phone quick enough to inform my lovely kids that daddy has cocked up…..again. Wish it had been cooked up again..lol

Wednesday, not to be deterred I will try again. Off to get yet a different brand of heat beads……will get those recommended by Cobb this time.

Such is life, but please tell me that someone out there has had a similar experience………….please.

Cheers
Michael
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:33

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:33
Michael, Sounds like something I would do, also sounds like not enough or wrong heat beads.! I haven't used a Cobb for a long time, but similar to Webber if you get the beads wrong.

This does my mouth watering though just thinking about it.

www.guidebooks.com.au/recipe7.htm
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:46

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:46
Pretty sure that it was the quality of heat beads, had enough or at least according to the book of words.

Another go today;))

Michael
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 21:07

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 21:07
Anyone tell you that volcanic rocks don't work!
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Follow Up By: V8 Troopie - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 01:04

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 01:04
I dunno about the quality of heatbeads, perhaps they don't make them as they used to.
I found two originally sealed (paper)bags of heatbeads in the shed. They would have been there at least 15 years (yes, I'm a hoarder:-). Anyway, used those beads and had no trouble at all lighting them with 3 firelighters and then cook a nice mini roast.
First I used those cheap white firelighter cubes, these produced massive flames and plenty of stinky smoke. Now I'm using the ones that look like little fibre board squares soaked in metho or something. They still light the beads perfectly and much less smoke & giant flames - I'm using the Cobb on a boat and don't want to set fire to it.

the trick with the beads is to place them closely together and intersperse the firelighters. A solitary bead on the side will not stay alight, they need to touch each other.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 02:31

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 02:31
I always use the Heat Beads® brand of solid fuel for the Cobb and sometimes the camp oven. But I cheat.

I have a beaut little gadget called a BLOWTORCH.
I assemble the required amount of beads in a pile and wave the torch over them for a couple of minutes while sipping on the first glass of red. Within ten minutes or so the beads have that brown coating over most if not all surfaces and they are them placed in the firebox of the Cobb.

I was away last week with a group of people and we had volunteered to cook the meal for a dozen people the first night.

Put all the Heat Beads® on a wire mesh stand which was sitting in a 14" cast iron frypan. After waving the magic wand over them, eight went into the Cobb with a few foil wrapped veggies and a boneless piece of Pork. 14 were put on the lid of the Hillybilly camp oven and 10 left on the mesh stand. The Hillbilly was placed on the stand and a boneless piece of both lamb and beef placed in the oven. Next came the veggie ring with the majority of foil wrapped spuds and carrots and finally the head bead laden lid placed on the top.

Two hours and the remainder of the bottle of red (or was that two) later and dinner was declared ready.

Had no complaints from any of the group who declared the standard had just been set.

The rest of our stay at the particular location turned somewhat pair shaped (nothing to do with the other meals that followed) and I may tell everyone about it at some time or other, when the scene has been set and the timing is right.
I would hate other people to experience the same "Friendly Hosts" as we did.

Anyway, back to the Cobb (and Camp Ovens too).
Just persevere and be prepared to experiment a little.

The main thing I have found is to make certain the heat beads are burning sufficiently before you place them in the fire box, otherwise they will go out.
Personally, I don't like any of the fire lighters on the market as they stink and will impart a distinct "flavour" to the food.

Heat Beads® are available in a 3kg "easy-lite" pack which I have found are good for a while, but will "lose" the "easy-lite" ability if an opened pack is left for a long time before next use.

As Mike has mentioned, metho used carefully also works well and will not taint food.

Or, do as I and help them along with the good old blowtorch when necessary.
Bill


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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:41

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:41
Years ago in Europe when I used charcoal BBQs all the time I would first pour about a cup of methylated spirits (_DON'T_ use petrol) over the charcoal, let it sit for 2 or 3 minutes and then light it - always worked well and the meths won't taint the food, at least on a BBQ - but in a Cobb...? :)

Mike Harding
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Reply By: porl - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:44

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:44
Well to be honest I sold my Cobb. It wasn't that the i couldn't cook in it, it produced amazing chickens, roasts lamb shoulders, etc.

What got me was because i didn't use it often enough. Almost every time I went to use it my heat beads had somehow, through efflux of time, must have absorbed moisture and they either wouldn't light or wouldn't stay light.

I did some calculations over 12 months over how many BBQ bricks i had wasted (perhaps i should have put them in the oven, but to go to that much bother for a BBQ ...) and new packs had bought, and thought, time to go ...
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Reply By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:48

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:48
nope, i have never experienced what you have Micheal
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:22

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:22
Michael,
We recently bought a Cobb at one of the shows, also influenced by the smell of the roast they had cooked. We have always used fires and camp ovens, but now there are so many places where you can't or it is not safe.

My first try last weekend was not a disaster but not a total success = learning curve. Used a new bag of self lighting Heatbeads - 8 of them for the 1.6kg beef roast + potatoes. Took 35 mins for them to change colour, had expected 10mins. 2 did not change and went out even though they were all piled together.

Put meat on, had drink. Stuck in meat thermometer after 1.25 hours. Long way to go. Took total of 2 hours to cook, so 2.5 from ignition. Have to remember to start much earlier in future. Was delicious in the end.

cheers
alastair
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:28

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:28
I'm feeling better.......lol
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Reply By: Member - Min (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:25

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:25
Michael,
Lovely to know we are not the only dopes around.

First time the half-leg of lamb took more than three hours and the veges were not cook properly.

Second time used god knows how many firelighters and about 10 (!) beads (recommended brand). A succulent result with cooked veges within the correct time, and the aroma was enough to make you weep in anticipation.

Talked to a stall-holder at the Murrumbateman Field Days on the week-end and he said he failed the first time too. Now we just have to have a go without breaking the bank in fuel costs!

We're keen to try pizza. According to the website pizzas can be made on the bit with the holes in it (after all, it looks like a pizza tray!)

We'd be glad of any tips anyone can offer for successful cooking of all sorts of things in the Cobb, including bread.

John 'n' Min

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Follow Up By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:28

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:28
I'm feeling betterer still;)))
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 16:42

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 16:42
Sounds like they need to make a gas model!
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Reply By: Waynepd (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:25

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:25
Hi Michael,
I have always used the recommended beads and the heat has always lasted long enough. 3 x firestarters blocks and 8 heat beads. Although, I am finding that with the new stainless mesh base it is taking a little longer. I put this down to the fact that the heat is now not so isolated from the outside world and breezes may cool it some.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:33

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:33
Tks Waynepd,

All by the book except for the quality of beads.
Will try again today and post results.

"The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed."
-in that case my last two days certainly have not been wasted.....lol lol
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Follow Up By: Waynepd (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:40

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 11:40
That's the thing i love about our society, we can take the bleep out of ourselves and genuinely enjoy the humour of it.

I am still no expert at Cobb cooking by any stretch but practice often on your captive/built-in guinea pigs and keep the spare meal handy.....LOL. You will learn.

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Reply By: Member - Phantom (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 14:08

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 14:08
I must admit that all these comments don't instill me with confidence to rush out and buy one. Me thinks I'll stick with my Weber Baby Q on gas.
Steve
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 17:15

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 17:15
Hmmm, I agree. Soounds like you need to plan the whole afternoon around cooking dinner. I'll stick with gas or real fire.
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 20:09

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 20:09
My Coleman shellite stove works first time, every time...picked it up for $25...
It will do me

Stu
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 14:15

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 14:15
Just a thought after sharing a very tasty Cobb roasted leg of lamb and vegies with friends a couple of months ago somewhere out on the wallaby.

They order their roast from the butcher with the bone removed. Seems they cook more quickly. Mind you, if the heat beads aren't alight I guess even a boned leg won't cook.

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Reply By: Member - Omaroo (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 14:32

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 14:32
Hate to say it, but it worked fabulously - first time - for me. Has been the same every time ever since.

I just use the good old RedHead briquettes, nothing fancy.
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Reply By: Member - Athol (NSW, 2527) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 16:17

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 16:17
mmm !!!!! To share my experience, I,ve cooked many a successful roast in the cob but while we where away this time we met up with some friends at Broken Hill and said wait till you try this and low and behold the heat beads wouldn't light up properly( took ages to get going ) and did not seam to reach there full heat . The result was eating in the dark and the spuds were soggy.

I am wondering if keeping the heat beads in a sealed container with some silica gel sachets might keep them drier!!!!!

Any other suggestions?
Athol
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Follow Up By: Member - Robyn J (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:33

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 18:33
I have had the same problem but I think it may not be the heat beads but the firestarters. I use both a Cobb and a webber and sometimes I have great trouble just lighting the firestarters in the big webber or they dont burn long enough to get the beads burning properly. I have given up on cheap firestarters for this reason.
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Reply By: malssurf - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 19:38

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 19:38
Michael,
we are regular cobb users and it cooks a fantastic roast.
This is what we do to produce a mouth-watering meal.
1- Only use the best quality heat beads and fire starters.
Enjoy a glass of red
2- Use 3 fire lighters and 8/9 heat beads for a 1 - 1.3 kg lamb roast
3- Let the heat beads turn almost totally white. approx 15-20 mins
4- Part cook req'd veges for 5 mins in microwave (if available)
Enjoy a glass of red
5- Have the meat ready in an oven bag. (save a lot of cleaning later)
Have another red
6- place meat and partially cooked veges on a wire cake tray; this raises the food off the tray and stops it burning. We also cover the cake tray with foil this catches the olive oil that has been liberally smeared over the veges.
7- Put the lid on and DO NOT open it for at least 2hrs 20 mins
One more red, ok two then
8- serve and enjoy- BTW a good red goes well with the meal.
Ther is also enough heat to warm up an sarah lea pastry desert. MMMMMM with cream and icecream

Enjoy.............we have a successful meal every time it is cooked in the cobb!

Mal
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Follow Up By: Member - Robyn J (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 21:23

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 21:23
You have hit the nail on the head.
Slow cooking and while cooking enjoy something to wet the pallet plus a bit of conversation or great lisentening music or bush sounds. A drop or two of scotch, bottle of red wine or white or whatever or a bit of everything. Desert and cream dont go well with the red or the white so a billy of water to wash the dishes goes well after cooking the roast but then maybe too many red or white or port and you dont really feel like washing up anyway and of course in the morning the washing up water will be stone cold and the dishes will still be there to doubt you will have enjoyed another great night away from home away from the normal everyday stress and life so lets all go for the slow cooking experience and the weekend away from normal existance.
Bring on the next weekend away
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 13:47

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 13:47
Now that's my kinda cookin'!
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Reply By: Eza - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 19:45

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 19:45
am thinking of buying a cobb myself, I guess this has probably been asked before and might seem like a stupid question but can you sit the beads on the gas stove to get them fired up them chuck the heat bead cradle in the cobb?
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 20:11

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 20:11
If you are going to do that, you might as well cook it on the gas stove

My .02

Stu
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 07:46

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 07:46
Yes - see my response further down.
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Reply By: Jimbo - Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 21:23

Wednesday, Oct 18, 2006 at 21:23
I just can't cop the Cobb idea.

$200 for a roaster that has a VERY small cooking area just won't work for a family of hungry peoiple.

My old, $25 Camp Oven, knocks out a superb roast for 10 people with vegies to spare, uses a bit of wood (no need to carry heat beads) from the bush and is easy to clean.

Just me,

Jim.
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Reply By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 07:51

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 07:51
We always start our heat beads on the stove. Just put the loaded fire basket on the stove and fire her up before you start preparing the meat etc. It takes about 5-10 minutes to get the beads ashed all over and ready for cooking. Then drop the fire basket into the Cobb load up the roast and veggies and away we go.

We always cook foil wrapped pumpkin in the moat and usually put the potatoes on about half an hour after the start when we flip the roast:

!MPG:3!

Cheers

Pete
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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 08:14

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 08:14
Yeah well...................I would have kept very quiet about it.......I will have to bear this in mind when invited over next time.....LOL

I just can't get my head around these fancy cookers 'n stuff. Plus its more gear to cart around.

When camping and when we have the opportunity of an open fire then we can cook a roast in the Cast Iron pot. When we can only use the gas stove, we do other food.

When at home for a Barbie we have a humungous Gas BBQ that does all food including roasts to perfection(SWMBO being the cook, of course).

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 15:57

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 15:57
Baked beans for you mate.........lol lol
-while Judith dines on a succulent roast..yum

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:00

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:00
I found the best way to start the heat beads was to half fill an empty sardine tin with metho and place under wire cage holding heat beads.
Use a gas lighter to ignite.
It takes a bit over 30 minutes for beads to be ready for cooking.

Make sure to change the sardine tin every so often, to avoid bottom rusting out .

Also use an old billy can on top of a round raised cake thingy ,placed in metal dish, to put the hot heat beads in. Close the billy can lid and they go out pretty quick.

Have always been going to reuse but never got around to it.

Pedro
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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 18:47

Thursday, Oct 19, 2006 at 18:47
In the Whitworths Marine catalogue they have Magma marine BBQs. One of the accessories is a Stainless steel "easy Light" heat bead lighter ($31.95). Looked like a 800gm beetroot tin to me!!! So I got an empty beetroot tin , punched some holes around the bottom edge and used that, put in 2 or 3 lighters and the required number of heat beads and light. Because of the shape of the tin the beads are piled up close together on top of each other and light quickly. Once lit tip them into the Cobb (or use tongs).
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