Buying an interstate vehicle and re registering
Submitted: Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 00:27
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damon_m
Yet another question!!!
I'm buying a Patrol from
Sydney, I live in WA, I have been to my local licencing center and asked and rang Transport/licencing helpline on the Phone also, Two different stories. I rang NSW licening and heard yet another story.
When my vehicle arrives, do I then transfer the vehicle into my name, or do i have to do this in
Sydney?? NSW stamp duty is 600 cheaper than in WA!!! but licencing there says i have to be a resident to change it into my name? i'm going to
Sydney anyway just after the vehicle arrives in
Perth, What if i got a PO box in
sydney, i'd have a document with my name and a PO box on it??? The other thing is Licencing here in WA said it'd be a lot easier to re-register here if it was alreagy in my name from NSW. How can i do that??? Nsw licencing said i Cant??
The vehicle also had 6months rego still on it, can i claim that back at all?
Obviously i have to take it over the pit for an inspection here in WA and buy plates and 6 months rego here, but the cheaper i can do this the better. I'd love to save 600 on the stamp duty.
Has anyone else been through this process of pain??? Any advice??
Thanks as always
Damo
Reply By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 00:46
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 00:46
you have several options:
1. You can get a residential address in NSW .. PO Box is not enough
It is only legal if you live there .. it gotta look official ..
Then you register the car in NSW and drive it up to 3 months in WA
Then you reregister in WA (no stamp duty - you paid it in NSW).
2. You can drive the car accross on a cover note of your insurance..
You have a grace period of one week (could be different in some states )
or so to register after the seller has notified the authorities about the sale ..
Register and pay sduty in WA ...
3. You can take a residential address in QLD (3% sduty) and register it there
and do as in 1 ...
it's not as difficult as you make it sound .. I have done that the other way around
with a car from WA registered in QLD ... and I am just about to do it again but this time with a truck registered in QLD and then brought to WA ..
The important thing is to make it look as legal as possible ...
Get a friends address .. change the drivers license to that address and state (thats just a precaution) and then register the vehicle .. even if you drive it longer on your other plates than legal in WA you still have your NSW drivers license ...
many ways to skin a cat ..
good luck
gmd
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 08:50
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 08:50
Hi gmd, You seem to know the ropes about vehicle registration perhaps you could offer an opinion for me.
I am not an Australian citizen and am non-resident in Australia. If I wish to purchase a vehicle and leave it in storage for use on my trips to Oz which state would be the most benificial to purchase, register & insure? I would store the vehicle in the state I that happened to be in on my travels so it could be anywhere.
Thanks, Kiwi Kia
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 11:09
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 11:09
sorry GMD , but thats is some bad advice , sorry dude , Yes you can get away with alot if you dont get caught , but if you do , its another story .
If you buy it from
sydney , All you need is a purchase reciept , get the car to
Perth and pay you duty when you register the car in your name .
I work as a wholesaler and send heaps to
perth , I have companies in
melbourne , who register the
Perth bassed vehicle in
Perth because of Insurance purposes and legal registration reqierments .
If you actusaly read the legal issies you would be shocked , Just do it the right way , because a simple duty saving can change into something a lot more expensive
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 11:51
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 11:51
Rock Crawler .. he asked for all options .. and if you have a residential
address in another state there is nothing illegal ... Number 2 is the version you are suggesting ..
Kiwi Kia .. you can not register a vehicle in Australia unless you are a resident as far as I know, but that may not be correct ... If I would store a vehicle and have to register it for that purpose I'd go WA although it has higher stamp duty you have far less problems with modifications ... there is ways around though .. You can open an Australian Pty.Ltd. (you need one Australian resident as a second director) and can register the car in the company name ... this can work depending how often you come and stay ... if you only come occasionally the storage cost may outweigh the benefits of having your own vehicle ...
good luck
gmd
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 12:00
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 12:00
Sorry GMD , I think you missed my point. It is ilegal to have a vehicle registered in one state with intent to use it in another. If you get caught , they will remove the plates and charge you with driving a unregistered car. I know it sounds crazy but unfortunantly true .
Truth to the matter , is that it's very hard to get caught , but not worth it , if you do.
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 12:09
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 12:09
where did I miss your point ? Sorry ..
option 2 is the "legal" way and the other options are legal too
when you have a residence .... In the registration act is no mention
of period of residence ... I can intend to stay in QLD for 3 months and
Queensland requires the vehicle to be transfered within 2 weeks from memory ...
there is nothing illegal if you have an address and a rental agreement .. because this is what you have to show in QLD...
regards
gmd
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 13:13
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 13:13
Thanks gmd. I will need to do some more research. The cost of owning becomes (I believe) reasonable when compared to hireing as there are not very many 4wd hire companies (that I have found) who will allow me to go really 'off road'. Many will not even allow travel on the
Oodnadatta Track without written permission and then will only give that when you roll up at the office to pick up the vehicle (can't get permission in advance when making the booking).
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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 14:44
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 14:44
You cannot drive a vehicle in SA on an insurance cover note.
You either have to have the vehicle registered or obtain a permit to drive the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 15:20
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 15:20
we worked with the assumption that the car was second hand and registered
so you can drive on a cover note within the grace period of ownership transfer ..
you are right for new vehicles ..
regards
gmd
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Follow Up By: old mate - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 15:38
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 15:38
Option 3 would not work unless the vehicle was driven to QLD as it would need to be inspected for a safety certificate before QLD Transport would rego it. Fuel and accommodation costs alone would blow out the savings.
I don't know about NSW but I would suggest you would need a permanant address to register it at. Do you know anyone with a NSW address that you could use for the vehicle garaging address? e.g. re routing your bank statement to NSW with your name and NSW address on it may work. It does in other states.
Whatever way you go, If you do a shonky and have an accident, and someone is inured, before you get it all sorted in WA in your name with WA plates, you may find yourself uninsured and in a whole bunch of trouble.
Also the cost of changing licenses, is that worth it? If your in
Perth, you will have to travel to
Sydney to sort it all out.
I sympathise with you on stamp duty, but it might be easier to bite the bullet and just play ball in WA and pay up.
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 16:08
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 16:08
you are quite right .. but the driver license cost is not much etc etc ..
It all depends on the value of the vehicle .. if we talk 40K or under
its not worth it .. but if we talk 100k+ it might
well be :)) ...WA has
a progressive sduty which is 6.5% above 53K from memory ...
but this only for vehicles not for trucks .. new trucks 3% used trucks 5%
fixed non progressive ... it's all a matter of math ..or making a holiday
gmd
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Follow Up By: old mate - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 16:43
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 16:43
any one know the difference in cost for a NSW licence compared to a WA one ?
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 17:07
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 17:07
3% from memory
here is the calculator
Site Link
have fun
gmd
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Follow Up By: Rock Crawler - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 18:39
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 18:39
this thread is going in so many directions that its not funny lol
Some of the facts you sate are correct , other a little shonky. But as you state above is my opinion also . Just transfer it (as requierement is 14 days after purchase , and insure it . Cover notes arnt worth the
toilet paper there writen on. If you dont intend to use the whole insured period , you can cancel and get refunded the balance
cheers
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Reply By: Chucky - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 11:34
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 11:34
Our Governments are truely amazing.
Not only do you have to save up your wages to buy a 4wd, having already paid tax on thos wages, you have to pay GST on the 4wd you bought.
Then you have to pay a large amount of tax to tell the government that you own that 4wd.
The you have to pay GST on every part and assosory you buy for the 4wd. As
well as GST, excist and state tax on the fuel you put into the 4wd.
The you have to pay more tax to be allowed to drive it on the road. Then you have to pay GST on the compulsory insurance, and even more GST on extra insurance you need to protect your 4wd from the unknown. Then the governemnt forces you to pay all sorts of fees and charges for stuff that you really dont know what they mean. All this after you have paid a fortune to have some bloke take a quick look at your 4wd to say that your new car is safe. (of course you also have paid GST on all of this).
And after you have paid all this money to the government and are FINALY allowed to legaly drive your new 4wd. (After, of cousre you have paid the tax to get a small peice of plastic that says you know how to drive) You go for your first drive and get a lovely photo taken for doing 103km/Hr in a 100 Zone.
No wonder I can't afford to go away on trips:(
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 17:13
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 17:13
How are you getting it sent over? Surely you would need to get licence transferred to you before it leaves to prove ownership.
Can't speak for NSW, but surely not that much different. Stamp duty only payable when it is transferred to you, and you do need to transfer the licence before you drive it
home.
With our caravan bought in Qld, we had to transfer it to our name to legally drive it
home. Quite a few rather different stories from Transport Department personnel of how to do it (including "just drive it
home unlicenced and get re-licenced when you get back to WA - you won't have any third party insurance though") until the vendor got to someone near the top. Just had to give a Qld residential address (people who we bought it from) and our
home WA postal address. Then had to re-licence it when we got back to WA. No stamp duty payable here - it was already in our name. I don't know about any rebate on unexpired licence - ours had just expired by the time i got organised to take it to the licensing centre, but i think it would be hard to get. My only trouble was, I handed plates in at our licensing authority who shredded them (I had the option of posting to Qld or handing to local licensing authority). Took me many months arguing with Qld as to why i couldn't return them, before they gave up threatening me. The two Departments were not willing to talk to each other at all.
Qld again - when my daughter came back from living in Qld, she had to take her car over the pits to re-lic in WA after a certain number of months when she could no longer say she was a Qlder just visiting.
All the rigmarole is crazy when we live in the same country.
Good luck with your purchase; i hope you get a good vehicle.
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Follow Up By: damon_m - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 18:15
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 18:15
The vehicle is comming on transport from Syd, My partner has grandparents in Syd, if i change my bank address to there and then take the documents (including proof of purchase) and proof of address in syd, i can apply for a NSW drivers licence, then i can have it registered in my name and pay stamp duty there. Only thing is NSW licencing will cancell my WA drivers licence on issue of theirs. when i return to WA i have to say something like, i was going to move to nsw, was there a few weeks, hated it and i want the wa licence back, there-for cancelling the NSW one.
A lot of stuffing around, but i save 600 on stamp duty, due to transferring the vehicle in NSW. i can bring the plates with me to syd and once registered, surrender the rego and plates and claim a refund on the remaining 7 months rego on the patrol. at least 100 dollars. When i return to WA i pay the inspection fee and 6 months rego and buy new WA plates.
then redirect my mail back here
Sure is a root around
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 18:38
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 18:38
Sounds a bit extreme, and like you would have to actually be over there. Wasn't the transporting saving you the trip? All of the changes would cost you $$s so probably not worth it just to avoid WA stamp duty. It still seems wrong - you should be able to get the licence transferred to you in NSW on purchase.
Glad it all worked for our caravan. That was only after we got the right story, after several wrong ones.
Try phoning the Minister for Transport in NSW and see if he can direct you to something that makes sense.
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Follow Up By: damon_m - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 19:13
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 19:13
no as it turns out i'm buying the patrol, getting it transported here next week, i had already booked a trip to
Sydney in 3 weeks time, will be there for 10 days, the car will be in
perth. I'd have driven it from
sydney but just don't have time. when i get back to
Perth i will drive the patrol to my actual
home in
Tom Price, 1500kms up north from
Perth.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 19:25
Sunday, Oct 29, 2006 at 19:25
The system is totally crazy - go to the top, Minister, CEO or something to make sure you get the right version of what to do. Not worth doing something dodgy.
WA is certainly on the other side of the world to the ES states. I felt it was easier to deal with someone in Russia on China, than dealing with Transport in Qld - they didn't even understand the lingo "the plates have been shredded"
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