Do I or Don't I

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 19:16
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No I'm not going to buy a Toyota or a Nissan, an Engel or Waeco.
I just got told today after 6 and a bit years of constant lower back pain that it is now serious enough to have either a disc fusion or replacement.
Whoopto Do, its about time I've had a sport specialist telling me that for the past 2 years and finally they agree.
Don't know when yet but hopefully there is light at the end of the dark gloomy tunnel.
Has anyone else had it do and if so how was it, apart from the initial pain.

Cheers Kev
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Reply By: ImEasy - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 19:47

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 19:47
G,day Kev M,

I asked my Quack if I should have another scan to see if my back problem is getting worse as the pain sometimes is, she told me the next scan I have will be the one before an operation, fusion or whatever they do, what is your lower back problem, bulging disc? as that is the prob with mine.

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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:01

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:01
It's bulged, torn and contains no fluid, so it is virtually grinding together.
Sounds bad and feels it as well.
They have tried injections (5 in total) with no relief.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:12

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:12
Can I offer my experience?

My discs were not as bad as that, mine were bulging badly, experienced constant pain for over five years. Sometimes I was flat on my back for up to a fortnight with the legs elevated on the lounge to get some relief.

Went to a orthopedic specialist who recommended spinal fusion, I retreated from there real quick.

After getting to the stage of where at times I began to think of topping myself I finally got smart enough to start doing the rounds oa specialists.

Walked away from a few and then found a bloke who:

Engendered confidence

Did not try to get me out of the door two minutes after I walked in

Took a hell of a lot of time to put x-Rays and scans up on the screen and then point out the bits and pieces and explain what they represented

Fully explained with both diagrams and models the TWO different procedures he would do to alleviate my problems, shaving three discs and modifying (grinding) the nerve canal

Well I bit the bullet and have never regretted it. I am not "cured" in the sense that my spine is restored, but am certainly cured from the point of view that I'm no longer in pain twenty four hours a day. Certainly I have to be careful in what I do, my days of lifting bags of fertiliser and cement are long gone but providing I'm careful in what I do I can live a pain free life. Most importantly I can now DO THE DEED without suffering for days after. (I do however refuse to jump from the wardrobe or do that bit involving a chandelier) but the wife is not as bitchy.

Mate, shop around before you commit, we all of us shop around for tyres or a new fridge, vehicle or what ever. Its amazing how few people think to shop around between doctor, surgeon, dentist etc:

To anyone out there who is in a similar situation I would say shop around till you find the guy who engenders confidence, then if you feel comfortable with what they recommend go for it.

I did exactly that on the assumption that I could not finish any worse off than when I started, now I just regret the unnecessary pain and inconvenience I suffered whilst I made the decision to shop.

I was so happy with the results of my procedure I offered to write the guy a reference, he nearly fell out of his chair laughing.

IOan

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If anyone in Sydney would like his name give me an M.M.
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Reply By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:45

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:45
Kev,

Sincerely, you have my total empathy.

For years past I had serious back problems. Bone on bone.

Ended up having a fusion of bottom 3 vertebrae. In my case the best thing ever.

But, and it is a big BUT, every person has a different problem.

In my case initial pain lasted for 3 - 4 months and I thought at one stage I would never walk again!!!!!!

10 years later and it has been one of the best decisions I have ever made.

No-one can ever suggest how you will react or improve/change.

If I can provide more information let me know.

Best of luck

Cheers
Michael
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:52

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 20:52
So does that mean your going to buy a Range Rover [with full air suspension] and a trailblazer fridge ? seriously ? hope all goes well .
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:18

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:18
Yeap complete with small crane to lift it all for me.

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Reply By: cokeaddict - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 21:21

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 21:21
Hi Kev,
Was offered to me 3 years ago...i refused to have it done as the percentage of comming out better was 20%...too big a gamble for me im affraid. But like its been said.... every case is different. After almost 7 years now of learning to cope with the pain and understanding the "do's and Dont's" I recon in another 3 years i will understand when im pushing too far. But the worst thing for me is an unexpected sneeze, that alone can put me in bed for 7 days. And for those of you who know, its not a nice thing having a brother-in-law carry you to the toilet and standing there to clean you up.

but im lucky, i can still walk and do some 4wding. just wish the insurance companies would stopusing me as a puppet on a string with all their heavy tactics. Ahhhh i wish i stayed home that day.

Good luck with whatever you decide
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:37

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 22:37
You have our sympathy, I guess it sounds as though you have well and truly gone past the Chiro stage, mine is no where near what yours sounds like, it is my Chiro who keeps me going, I know when I haven't been there for a while.

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Reply By: Stu050 - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 23:09

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 23:09
After being on a pocket tens machine 24/7 for a few years, a friend of mine got a couple of disks fused in his lower back. It was the best thing that he ever did. He is currently back out in the bush driving dozers pulling scrub.

He is completely pain free now, and living a normal life
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Reply By: Member - Tonester (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 23:44

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 23:44
Kev, I'm not as chronic as yours, but mate you have my sympathy. I've had upper back pain for nearly 4 years, courtesy a once off exercise on 3 days solid crowbar military press. Whatever helps it.
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:24

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:24
Thanks to the Dili sewerage ponds, is where I first did mine. Lifting the thick walled Gal inlet pipe into position, by myself of course.
It doesn't sound good when something in your back just goes pop and you fall over in a heap of bleep with rifle still hanging of your back.
But I enjoyed my time over there and would have loved to go back.

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Reply By: Barnesy - Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 23:56

Wednesday, Nov 15, 2006 at 23:56
Backs are a strange thing. Human backs have not fully evolved to handle walking on two legs yet, hence many people with problems. My brother is only 32 and has 3 bulging discs in his lower back. They are too bad to fuse, he would barely be able to bend to touch his knees.

His surgeon has given him corticosteroid epidurals, where not solving his back problem, gives him a couple of months relief from the referred pain down his legs. Can't answer your questions except to say that fusing is a patch up job and i'm sure results will vary from person to person, surgeon to surgeon.
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:26

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:26
I have had 5 of those injections so far and none of them have worked, not even for 1/2 an hour.
It looks more likely that I'll have a total disc replacement, touch wood, and it will all be sorted
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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 01:03

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 01:03
My family have a history of back problems. Mum, me and my three brothers have all had back problems. Mum had back surgery thirty years ago and is doing well [she is 80 this year] but I think going to the chiro once a month helps tremendously.

My oldest brother [50] visits a chiro weekly. The nest one down [49] had back surgery two years ago and has just been given the green light to go surfing again. Poor bugger lives for surfing.

I had been going to a chiro for a while, but have stopped to see how I go. So far not better but not worse. I used to lift the stupidest things and I'm now paying for it.

I don't know what I would do if I were in your position, but going on the success of Mum and Lindsay's operations, I would have to think it to be worth a shot.

Modern surgery is a marvellous thing, if done by the right doctor/specialist/team.
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:28

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 06:28
Muzzgit,
I think you hit the nail on the head,
Surgery is a marvellous thing if done by the right doctor etc.

Kev
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Reply By: gbc - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:04

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:04
G'day Kev,

I'm a carpenter and have had prolapsed disks (2) for coming up on 15 years. I'm lucky enough to have a spinal injuries surgeon as a family friend.
His advice:

Try everything else before you come and see us - it is amazing what we don't know about backs......

I tried a lot of things - found g.p's offensive in their ignorance - chiro and physio just exacerbated the pain.

A mate of mine suggested accupuncture so I gave it a go. Took about five sessions over 2 weeks to get some relief, but then slowly things started improving. I still don't exercise as much as I should - most important to keep the weight off, but I still haven't had the double laminectomy, and touch wood, won't have to.
Sure I still get pain from doing silly things - hearing you about the sneezing thing, but life is liveable and largely pain free for me.

It might be worth a shot for you - try everything else first.

Chin up.

C.J.
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:57

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 09:57
C.J

I think that I have tried just about every thing.
Accupuncture, Chiro, injections, Bowen therapy, Physio, even tried to be hypnotised.

Having a nearly 3 year old is hard as she just wants to play rough with me on the floor. SWMBO is beginning to feel resentful as I now cant even pick up the new addition, she is now 1 month old. Cant cut the grass even the enjoyable kind is to painful.
So hopefully the miricales of surgery will fix reduce the pain to a level that I can function to an extent that I can play with the kids and the missus and continue working, and above all be able to sit in a car long enough not to be in a truck load of pain when I get there.

Cheers Kev
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Reply By: Member - steve H (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 12:05

Thursday, Nov 16, 2006 at 12:05
kev

technology in surgery these days is amazing. I have had 2 artificial discs put in an one removed and laminated with a double fusion . Yes I do still suffer a bit of pain but there was cord and nerve damage mixed in. In my opinion get it done you wont regret it at all

Steve
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