Safe Emergency Towing?

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 09:13
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Hi All,

Earlier in the year, while on Fraser, my mate broke down in his GQ up near Indian Head. We decided to flat tow the GQ along the hard sand (low tide) 40kms (or so) back to Eurong with the snatch strap. Since the motor wouldn’t start there were no brakes in the GQ (which did concern me) however at 40km/hr or less the whole way we were okay.

My question is... is there a way to flat tow a vehicle at higher speeds when the tow vehicle has no (very little) braking ability?

I have seem people tow using chain through a tube (like a street post) to provide a brake however I could see a disaster waiting to happen should for any reason the link brake at the towing vehicle and a 3m steel pole stabs into the ground (car pole-vault isn’t a sport yet, right?).

Cheers,
Alex
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 09:45

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 09:45
Most cars still have had brakes with out the motor running (no experience with a GQ but I'd be surprised otherwise!), the pedal pressure just has to be much higher.

Years ago my Uncle rescued me and used a solid bar to tow me quite a distance at decent speed (80kph) but, he being a farmer had one suitable, not the sort of thing you'd carry just for off chance you need a tow.
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Reply By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:44

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:44
Slightly off topic but could be of interest:
I recently towed a mate from the outskirts of Broken Hill to a garage in town due to a broken clutch line. The garage was horrified. They told us that it is illegal to tow with a rope in NSW. We were supposed to call a flat top apparently. We had just completed a double crossing of the Simpson and the clutch let go just outside Silverton. He drove it with no clutch to Broken Hill and then we hooked up the tow rope for "safety" in the built up area. Apparently there was a collision at an intersection when someone tried to drive between two vehicles doing a tow!

Kingo
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Follow Up By: Member - Alex K (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:53

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:53
Anyone who thinks it safe to drive between two vehicles that close together (assuming your rope is less than 5M) is a bloody idiot and should voluntarily surrender their license.

I see your point. I'm not sure of the law. But in an emergency safety for people comes first and getting them out of trouble, the law is always second of mind.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:16

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:16
Alex,

I agree. The whole "illegal" thing may be one of those urban myths.

For info, we did use a short rope and of course we both had radio so we kept up a patter about when we were moving off, slowing etc. I did a drivers course in the army years ago and we had to use the brakes of the disabled vehicle to slow the front vehicle. Of course that wouldn't work in the above post. I think you are supposed to have a sign on the back of rear vehicle announcing "under tow", but we didn't.

It took two days to get the spare part from Sydney. Apparently there was no after market hydraulic line service in the Silver City. We were just glad that it didn't fail in the middle of the desert! (1994 Pajero)
Kingo
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:42

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:42
Heap of dingos kidneys in Victoria for sure.

Vic Roads have "improved" their website so I can't find the detailed Road Rules at the moment but this link gives the info:
Site Link

Check this section:
"Tow behind a registered vehicle"

If a prohibition exists at all in any other state I suspect it's purely to allow the tow truck industry to make money. Providing you keep the speed down towing is perfectly safe. Any accident you're likely to have will be the towed car hitting the back of the towing car and given that the speeds of those two vehicles will always be similar even that is hardly likely to be serious.

An "On Tow" notice in the back window of the towed vehicle is a good idea too.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:48

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 11:48
Found it.

Site Link

Part 18 Miscellaneous road rules (Rules 287-304) [PDF 59kb]

Road Rule 295.
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Follow Up By: SA_Patrol - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 15:00

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 15:00
Those road rules look prehistoric to me.
Then what about the rule with towing a trailer thats over 750kgs, what control has the driver at front with activating the brakes on the vehicle behind. without the motor running your brakes and power steering do not comply with the ADR rules.

"I suspect it's purely to allow the tow truck industry to make money." isn't it their job. Funny you should say that, I wanted to add more power points to my house but I was told I couldn't because I'm not qualified, Does that mean i have to call a sparkie. Now who's making the money.

The point I'm making is it's not safe to tow another vehicle with a rope or chain. If it's to pull the car off the freeway or road to a safe parking area then thats ok.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 15:24

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 15:24
>Those road rules look prehistoric to me.

Well you'd better let Vic Roads know because they seem to think they're the current law in Victoria.

>I wanted to add more power points to my house but I was told
>I couldn't because I'm not qualified, Does that mean i have to cal
>a sparkie. Now who's making the money.

Couldn't agree more! The whole electrical thing in Oz has been created, and people convinced only "The Chosen Few" of the electricians union understood it, simply in order to secure the jobs and income of electricians.

>The point I'm making is it's not safe to tow another vehicle with
>a rope or chain.

Vic Roads (and others) think it is - you need to make a case as to why it isn't.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: 666toy - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:00

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:00
Nothing would surprise me within the COMMUNIST REPUBLIC OF N.S.W.
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Follow Up By: navaraman - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:39

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:39
"The whole electrical thing in Oz has been created, and people convinced only "The Chosen Few" of the electricians union understood it, simply in order to secure the jobs and income of electricians."

I'm not a sparkie but a gas fitter/plumber with a restricted class electrical licence. I've seen the attampts non licenced people have come up with because they thought they knew what they were doing, licences, proper training and compliance are there for a reason.

Although I'm sure the relevant unions also see it as a nice way to keep their member in jobs, (I'm not a union member BTW)
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Follow Up By: Wazza - (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:32

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 21:32
From Mike's VICRoads link:

If neither of the vehicles is a motor bike, the driver must keep a distance of
not over 4 metres between the vehicles.

If at least 1 of the vehicles is a motor bike, the driver must keep a distance of
not over 2.5 metres between the vehicles.

-> so in theory it is ok for a XR600 to tow a Patrol? Excellent.

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Follow Up By: SA_Patrol - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 23:15

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 23:15
Can you just imagine if one of those big tow truck towing a B double down the road with chains. How safe would that be.
Vic roads might think it's safe any other state might not.
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Follow Up By: SA_Patrol - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 23:23

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 23:23
Vic Roads (and others) think it is - you need to make a case as to why it isn't.

Now that would be like talking to a brick wall.

I hope you don't think it's safe. If you do then I'm just wasting my time talking to another brick wall.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 07:28

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 07:28
OK, I've got it - you have a whole set of facts and reasoned argument as to why towing with a rope etc is unsafe and why Vic Roads (and others) are wrong but you're not going to present them in case people don't believe you.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Member - Big Al. Gold Coast - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 15:08

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 15:08
Back in the old days!!!!!!!!

Most 4wd clubs had a A frame for towing and each club vehicle had holes in front bar io take this frame and we could tow at any speed.

I was once towed in my 2 stroke suzy behind one of the first model patrol's and that it
was the fastest it ever went !!!!!!!!

Motor homes use a more modern version now.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:38

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 18:38
....and we can still see you tooting to get past him at 150km/h

(very old joke....)
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Reply By: navaraman - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:44

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:44
I'd agree that a tow rope should only be used to move a vehicle off the road to a safe location. A 4m rope ( I think that's the legal length) would mean a tow at less than 15km/h to maintain adequate braking distance (and that's with good brakes)and 2 vehicles travelling that slowly on a public road is dangerous IMO.
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:57

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2006 at 19:57
how ya goin' alex
I can see an obvious joke there about towing a nissan, but i'm better than that
There are some issues with flat towing that should be highlighted
brakes; no motor,no vacuum assistance for brakes, they will still work,just push really hard!
steering; no motor, no power steering (if equipped) it will still work ,just turn really hard!
transmission; (if auto) no motor, no oil being pumped around.tow very slow for a short distance ONLY (30 kph ~/10km ) or risk frying tranny
visibility;second vehicle driver has no more than 5m visibility,has also already got the odds stacked heavily against him if something goes wrong, and I have witnessed a fatality when an oncoming car was on the white line,tow car swerved,second car had no hope, BOOM ,right in front of me.This is a freakish accident I know,but all of the factors above (except tran) played a part
this was on a major country road and they where doing about 80!
Flat tow is ok to get out of trouble ,but it is a risk for BOTH vehicles
I can't see any prob with what yous' did and where you did it and i would do the same just don't forget that the handbrake works if the motor is running or not,as for the post idea, the tow vehicle will have to stop maybe 5 ton instead of 2.5 ton
(if it stays attached)
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Follow Up By: Member - Alex K (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 09:12

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006 at 09:12
Thanks Shane,
I hear what you're saying. Luckily in my case we didn't have many other cars around and the track down the hard beach was pretty flat and without turns. Only really had to slow down at Eli Creek. The Patrol was a manual so should be fine... right? (well it's fixed now and still running).
It's something you wouldn't want to do down the main high street.
Cheers,
Alex
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