low voltage cutout
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 11:28
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D-Jack
I have just bought a 120 a/h AGM to ride in the cargo area of the Jack when
camping a few days without driving (not charged, will fully charge prior to trips and when return). I am just after a low voltage cutout device. Don't know how they work, presume they need to be wired inline. Can someone advise where I can get something urgently (leaving for a trip on Friday a.m.)
Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 11:40
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 11:40
Your battery should stand up to a couple of days running a fridge and a few
camp lights, though it is certainly very desirable not to discharge too far as it affects battery life, especially if its left discharged for long.
I'm not aware of any satisfactory simple low voltage cutout - problem is that the voltage drops under load and I'd want to disconnect if it got down much below 11 volts with a fridge sized load (typically 3 or 4 amps). As soon as it's disconnected from the load, the voltage rises and the low voltage cutout will reconnect. My Waeko fridge has an inbuilt cutout (to protect the fridge) which does exactly this - Fridge draws current which drops voltage below 10.6 which operates cutout, voltage rises so cutout reconnects, fridge draws current ......... The cycle is about 1 minute long, so eventually you realise that you have a problem.
Suggest a quick solution for this week is to carry a voltmeter and check battery voltage periodically. A cheap digital meter will be fine and cost a bit over $10.
HTH
John
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:08
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:08
Engel doesn't have a cutout. Might just take the voltmeter with me. Thanks
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Reply By: Sam from Weipa Auto Electrics - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 11:42
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 11:42
Is there A need for one most fridges have cut-outs in them I realy dont know anyone that has one in there vehicle perhaps you dont need it?? (I realise why you might but running you're battery flat once in a blue moon wont hurt it to badly)
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:07
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:07
Sam
Engels don't have cutouts, even the new ones (direct from the Aust distributor's mouth). They have a plug in one available for $100 I believe.
Reason is to protect battery, but mainly to protect fridge. Compressor fridges don't like running on to lower volts, can burn out the motor apparently. Heard that from a number of sources.
D-Jack
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Reply By: Gronk - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 11:56
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 11:56
What are you gonna run off it ?
A few days ? Does that mean 3 or longer ?
Just work out roughly the total amps you're gonna use then guess how long you want to run these things, and this will give you a rough idea.
If you're not gonna run a fridge, then the batt should run lights etc fairly easily !
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:11
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:11
Running a 40L Engel, heading into temperatures 45+ in the shade, a bit of a variable but wouldn't expect the fridge to last long in those sort of temps (is kept in car too!). I've already got a 60 a/h deep cycle aux under the bonnet, but this will only last a couple of days if we're stationary
camping.
D-Jack
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Reply By: The Fox - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 12:00
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 12:00
Engel have a simple one available though most
camping outlets. From their webpage:
Battery Monitor
This handy little device gives you piece of mind, it Automatically shuts the fridge off when the battery charge drops below a set voltage, which means no more flat batteries. Available in two New models part number # BM12, part number # BMIL, both have a selectable 10.5 volt or 11.5 volt cut out (plus or minus 0.1volt) (for selection please refer to vehicle manufacturers requirements for starting) and both have a LED display for easy monitoring of battery voltage. They have an automatic reconnection when the battery voltage reaches 13.2 volts (plus or minus 0.1volt), and both are rated to 15 amps. The # BM12 is designed to be hard wired into your vehicle. For extra versatility use the # BMIL Battery Monitor In Line, this model simply screws into your Engel 12 volt lead using the "posi-fit" connections that come standard with your Engel refrigerator, allowing your battery monitor to go where ever your Engel goes. 12 Month Warranty
Category: Fridge Accessories
Power: 12 Volt
Recommended Retail Price: $98.00
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:14
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:14
thanks but I'll be buggered if I'm paying that much. My Engel uses hella plugs, not standard posi-fits, so that would mean more expense. Thanks anyway
D-Jack
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Reply By: feral - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 12:33
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 12:33
Projecta make a low voltage cut out device. It cuts out at approx. 11 volts but does not start again until the power supply is interrupted. It just a simple plug into the ciggy lighter and then hook the fridge up like a extension cord.
Repco has these for about $40.
They are not ideal but they do the job.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:14
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:14
Thanks, but I dont' use a ciggy lighter connection. Will look at Repco and see what else they have though.
D-Jack
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Follow Up By: Moggs - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:31
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:31
why not just get the projecta one and cut the ciggi plugs off and wire it inline????
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:46
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:46
Sorry, I didnt realise thr cig plugs were just extras, thought thyr were an integral part of the device. will have a look
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:08
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:08
I've used one of these Projecta ones with my 39L Engel for over 6 years and it does the job
well normally tripping on the 2nd night or 3rd day. Around $40 sounds about right, may have been slightly cheaper but it was a long time ago. My mate had another type and a different type of fridge (did not take my advice on either count, go figure) and it does not work
well, the startup of the fridge trips it early in the piece and it's useless. FWIW I notice a cutout for about these sort of prices in the latest Jaycar ad too.
Regds
OT
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Reply By: Sam from Weipa Auto Electrics - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:44
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:44
They also may cause voltage drop problems if there inline with the supply So try not to skimp as much as possible on the quality of the unit and I highly doubt the $40 repco one would cut it for long. Maybe engel can supply you a genuine unit?
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Reply By: LastAussieWorker - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:10
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:10
Battery Protector Cigarette Lighter plug socket 10A $12.80
Cuts off at 11.2 volts and says unit will automatically suspend power to any connected 12 volt accessory
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Follow Up By: LastAussieWorker - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:12
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:12
senior moment forgot to put from Jaycar MS-6120 if the link dont work.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:44
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:44
Brisbane Jaycar - at the gabba - $19.75 - interesting - MS6120.
Must have gone up for the visitors for the cricket.
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Reply By: Philip A - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:56
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:56
DITTO, I have had a Projecta cutout for 5+ years with a 39 litre Engel with no problems. I have hard wired it near the fridge,so that it sees the same voltage.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: Junior - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:16
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:16
Not the cheapest solution (I got cheaper through auto elec mate)- but you can protect your battery from any and all accessories in this way- I am currenty installing in my rig...
Readarc voltage sense- (RRP $95 + gst)
Using this unit to switch a cheap 200amp solenoid to connect main line from my auxilliary battery to all accessories via which thenfuse banks and breakers.... kewl!!!
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Follow Up By: Junior - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:19
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:19
oops- delete "which then"
add- this unit is also totally adjustable to your preference!
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Follow Up By: Sam from Weipa Auto Electrics - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:47
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:47
now that would be a better solution top find
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:39
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:39
I use a 12V timer that allows me to set On/Off sequences as I need, eg: Power On at 7AM, Power Off at 10AM, Power On at 12PM, Power Off at 4PM etc etc. The sequences include Fri/Sat/Sun, or Mon/Wed/Frid, Mon/Tues/Wed/Thurs/Frid, etc etc, so it is very versatile.
This means that I can control the time the fridge is powered On/Off, thereby extending the life of the available volts before the cutout on the Waeco cuts in at 11.1V
Generally I run the fridge on setting 1 which runs the fridge at about 1 Deg C at an ambient temp of upto 30 Deg C.
If I turn the fridge off at say 10Pm and leave it overnight, generally the temp in the fridge the next morning at about 7AM when the timer cuts in again is only about 3 Deg C.
Lets face it, you dont need your fridge cycling at 2AM in the morning and using volts unnecessarily.
Using this method, I have been able to get 5 days out of my Waeco 70L.
I had to hunt high and low to find such a device and finally found it in a neighbouring town.
Cost was $65 posted and $9 for a box to fit it into and just wired it myself.
I can supply photos if required as
well as the name of the place I got it from, if anyone is interested.
This may be an alternative method that you havent given thought to.
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Follow Up By: Member - Steven H (ACT) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 19:32
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 19:32
Hi Cruiser that does sound interesting and l would appreciate the details/photos. Regards Steven. harts04@tpg.com.au
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 19:52
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 19:52
I will have to dig it out and take some photos and get the address of the supplier, so watch this space.
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Follow Up By: Junior - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 20:34
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 20:34
Here's another way of controlling the way your fridge cycles (not a low voltage device)- I have a commercial fridge controller in my dash which has a temp probe back in the fridge and cuts controlls the 12v feed to the fridge via an on-board relay.
I programmed
mine to turn on when fridge rises to 5deg and turn of at 3deg- TRUE FRIDGE CONTROL... SET AND FORGET!!!
-ADDED Bonus- you can see at any time from the driver's
seat what temp your fridge is- I have damaged cable to fridge once with my slide, but picked it up due to flashing screen on my fridge controller- you can also fit a piezo siren to alert you to any over-temp conditions (your choice what temp).
You can get these controllers through fridgies (if you know one) or through fridge/ refridgeration equipment/repair/parts suppliers for @ $90-130?
Dixell webpage
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 19:25
Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 19:25
As promised, here are the photos of the 12V timer that I have
The suppier is
Self Sufficiency Supplies
Postal Address
PO Box 501
Kempsey, NSW, 2440
Ph:(02) 6562 7704
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Follow Up By: Member - Steven H (ACT) - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 19:34
Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 19:34
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 14:01
Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 14:01
Junior, have you used the 'fridge controller' device in "hot" temperature areas as in far North Australia ??
The temperature range selected of 3 - 5 degrees, (the hystereses) I believe will keep the fridge running almost full time and using heaps of
battery power, to change the hystereses to 1 - 5 degrees will lower
battery power consumption.
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Follow Up By: Junior - Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 23:33
Thursday, Nov 30, 2006 at 23:33
Hey Mainey, short answer, no!
Beauty of this unit is that, yes, I can change the Hystereses if in hotter areas- might change out a little anyway for summer.
I find that after it turns fridge of at 3deg, that fridge continues to cool anyway down to about 2deg before increasing in temp again.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 18:23
Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 18:23
The fridge temp will decrease, as you say, in all compressor fridges, some much more than others, depending as to where within the cabinet the 'temp pick-up' is located.
I run 1 - 6 degrees and find after the compressor stops the built-in digital temp gauge goes down to minus .5, however at the top of the cabinet temp is still almost +1, because the temp pick-up is situated almost half way down the cabinet wall, giving about an average temperature number at the digital temp gauge.
The 10cm or so high area below the 'basket' will actually freeze 'spilt'
water, so I leave long term storage things there that don't have to be frozen but will benefit from the extreme low temp, no beer won't freeze but it gets really cold.
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 20:15
Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 20:15
This prob'ly won't help if ya want it before friday, but y'all may wish to have a look at ebay item# 130051327716.. Seller ID " solarpower4u "..
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 00:34
Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 00:34
Hi D
Here are a few pictures to help.
You can cut the plugs and change them easily.
The Engel one can be hard wired to the car.
Regards
Derek.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 14:34
Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 14:34
Thanks for your trouble Derek
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 01:08
Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 01:08
D-Jack,
I have one of the Projecta brand cut-out units. As I have standardised on the Hella, or Merrit style plug and socket, I have done what Derek mentioned.
Cut off the originals and install the Hella/Merrit inline style plugs and sockets.
Just make sure you maintain the correct polarity. (+/-)
The Projecta unit cuts out at 11.6 volts and is available at Kmart, Repco, etc., for $39.95.
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 14:33
Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 14:33
Cheers Sandman
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:00
Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:00
The 12 volt
shop sells Arrid Low Voltage Cutout .. you get flooded and AGM versions .. there are others like the Redarc ...
the 12volt.com.au websites does not have all products or at least in cannot find them on the chaotic website ... always a good idea to protect your batteries .. going flat takes a lot of life out of it when you look at the deep cycle diagrams ..
I use TM500's on my house batteries in the boat and the camper
good luck
gmd
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:17
Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:17
here is another link to the arrid cutout
just as chaotic
www.allabout12volt.com.au/cat04/meter.html
scroll down and you will find it
why do we have no decent websites in OZ for that ..
just all chaos
good luck
gmd
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:21
Friday, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:21
here is the link of the 12volt
shop
Site Link
at the end of the page .. they have it under meters and not switches
I do not think think the way they do and would never look there ...
anyway .. google found it ..
good luck
gmd
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