Chescold 12volt
Submitted: Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 16:18
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pixiemops
I see alot of posts on this topic. The only reason a chescold fridge doesn't perform as
well on 12v as it does on 240v or gas is inadequate wiring. Throw away the ciggy plug on the fridge and put a caravan 2 prong plug onto it. Get an auto electrician to feed a 10mm wire or something like it from your battery to the boot. Plug in your fridge and it will be frosting up in no time at all.
At
camp put it on gas. You then have the best
camping fridge in the world. I will never buy an Engel or Waeco. Whats the point in having duel batteries just to run a fridge.
cheers
Reply By: Member - Athol (NSW, 2527) - Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 16:41
Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 16:41
Pixie,
!!! You obviously don't like a cold beer at the end of a days drive. !!!
Athol
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Reply By: Gronk - Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 21:07
Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 21:07
Pixie, I have a finch 35ltr, which I'm going to take away at chrissie, and I'm hoping for not too hot weather, as I don't like warm beers,but getting back to the chase, the 3 way fridges, regardless of whether you have full 12v power going to them, they don't seem to peform
well on 12v?? Don't know why ??? But on gas, yes they peform
well, IF you don't let them see any sun or if the temp doesn't get above 32deg or you don't put in any warm beers ( bit hard not to do if thats all you got ?? )
Best part about them, IF they will keep cold, they will last as long as the gas you keep pumping into them !!
Worst part about them, ( and the reason I'm thinking of buying a Waeco ) is their ability to keep beer cold in hot weather, and the inconvenience of swapping from gas to 12v when stop start travelling.
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Follow Up By: pixiemops - Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 22:44
Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 22:44
Howdy gronk
I have the finch and have put some computer fans at the back changed the ciggy connection as mentioned and added some more insulation . It now is more like the green explorer model.(which is what ill buy next time or the blue one.) With the additions even in 36-37 degrees my finch fridge freezes cans of drink if im not careful and cranks on 12v. I run the fans off a battery when at
camp as
well.The finch unfortunately doesnt have enough insulation in it . They should have made it with the fans and added insulation and it would be a great fridge.
cheers
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Reply By: Philip A - Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 21:25
Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 21:25
Its pretty simple why they do not work as
well on 12v.
The fridges use an absortion principle which involves heating the gas either by a pilot light or electricity.
The 240V heating element is 1000W.
The 12v heating element is 100W
If it were the same as the 240V element it would drag about 80 amps. How big is your alternator?
regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: pixiemops - Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 22:35
Sunday, Dec 17, 2006 at 22:35
Yes the 12v heating element is 100w which means it draws 8.3amps to work correctly. If you use the ciggy connection you wont get the 8.3amps that the 12v heating element needs to work correctly. If you give it the correct current it will work as it was designed for and give good performance on 12v.
It is not a question of how many amps are drawn by 240v or 12v but how many are needed to do the job. The 12v and 240v heating elements require different currents to work . How much each needs is not directly proportional to performance.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 07:41
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 07:41
1000 watts!!!???
A 500lt chest freezer only draws 340W!
Site Link
The Chescold fridges all draw the same power on both 12V and 240V
Site Link
The reasons they don't, often, work as
well on 12V are:
As the Op said - poor 12V plugs/wiring.
Poor ventilation when packed in the back of a vehicle.
Often out of level due to vehicle motion.
As others have said; a computer fan to aid ventilation works wonders.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: pixiemops - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 18:24
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 18:24
Thanks for the info Mike.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thursday, Dec 21, 2006 at 18:57
Thursday, Dec 21, 2006 at 18:57
Chescold have 3 12v elements 120, 125 and 150w
They have 2 240v elements 120 and 150w
I cant find a 1000w element listed in the camec catalog
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 00:33
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 00:33
"Whats the point in having duel batteries just to run a fridge".
If you are running ANY fridge on just the one battery mate, you are asking for big trouble. Most of us are not that silly, simple as that.
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Reply By: Philip A - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 08:01
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 08:01
I was basing the 1000W on the "Groen" brand fridge that I had many years ago which I bought in Saudi Arabia , and my daughter now has. This fridge I believe is the same as Electrolux and other german brands.
Friends have a Chescold and are quite happy.I am surprised that the Chescold is only 120W on 240W. This is a very small current drag on 240v.
350w for 500 litre freezer. That is why compressor fridges took over from absorbtion fridges.
The Groen only had a thermostat that worked on 240V, another
sign of relative efficiencies.
I agree re the computer fan. i think I must have been one of the first to do this in about 1991.
The fridge would then still have ice in the little tray after 8 hours on 12v.
The fridge only has to be dead level on gas for obvious reasons, ie the gas flame centralised in the column.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 08:28
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 08:28
>The fridge only has to be dead level on gas for obvious
>reasons, ie the gas flame centralised in the column.
Well... I'm no expert on refrigeration but given the distance between the flame and the heat exchanger it would need to be one hell of a long way off level for that to be a factor.
This page would seem to offer a more plausible reason:
http://www.rvrefrig.com/gas-refrigeration-faq.htm#level
Mike Harding
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Reply By: Rod E B - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 13:06
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 13:06
My chescold works fine
heavy duty cable from the 2nd battery for the 12v , keeps it cold whilst travelling
works equally
well on gas or 240v when you get there
keep it level and in the shade
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Reply By: Member - Barry M (NSW) - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 14:05
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 14:05
My 25 year old Finch works fine on 12v, ok on 240 & excellent on gas. Will freeze
on gas if turned up. Wired direct to the battery with good plugs (I use an obsolete
5 pin trailer plug/socket, tied down securely & adequate ventilation at rear has never given a problem in any temperature. Runs off a single vehicle battery when
driving & gas when not. So its not a bloody Waeco or Engel but the beer is cold
& I have none of the hassle of running extra batteries, solar whatsits,
inverters,
generators, nuclear reactors, wind farms etc!!!!
My only regret is that I no longer seem to work as
well as I did 25 years ago..sigh..
...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 14:47
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 14:47
Both my Finch and me relate completely to your post in _every_ respect Barry :)
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Follow Up By: pixiemops - Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 18:15
Monday, Dec 18, 2006 at 18:15
Couldn'y agree more Barry. Nicely put and a great Christmas and
camping to all.
cheers
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