Indian Ocean Moved

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Wonder how the Indian Ocean got here

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Reply By: Des Lexic - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:41

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:41
They just have their location of Tassy misplaced. The Indian Ocean is to the left of Tassy but The Southern Ocean is in between. They might think that Tassy is at the bottom of WA. LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:46

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:46
well look at this one

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:02

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:02
Found another mistake - since when has Tasmania been part of Australia!
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:29

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:29
Have you got a map that actually has a 'Southern Ocean' ?
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:30

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:30
I have to chuckle at the fact that it is a posted as a "Microsoft Corp and/or its suppliers" picture.

I have a sig line on another forum:

"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners."
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:54

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:54
mmm..suggests that it is a conspiracy related to the fact that it is the APPLE Isle!.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 22:30

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 22:30
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Have you got OziExplorer mapping software if you don't then have a prrk at this one Site Link
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 22:37

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 22:37
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The history of Tasmania begins at the end of the most recent ice age (approximately 10 000 years ago) when it is believed that the island was joined to the Australian mainland.So I guess it has been separated since then but we probably claimed it when the British settlement occured in 1803

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:43

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:43
I just found another map with same , if thats correct one learns something new every day ,
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:37

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:37
Well, I just found that I have learned something new, you are right on Doug.
Got the following from a Google search;

The World's Newest Ocean - The Southern Ocean
In 2000, the International Hydrographic Organization created the fifth world ocean - the Southern Ocean - from the southern portions of the Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean, and Pacific Ocean. The Southern Ocean completely surrounds Antarctica.
The Southern Ocean extends from the coast of Antarctica north to 60 degrees south latitude. The Southern Ocean is now the fourth largest of the world's five oceans (after the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, and Indian Ocean, but larger than the Arctic Ocean).

For some time, those in geographic circles have debated whether there are four or five oceans on earth.

Some consider the Arctic, Atlantic, Indian, and Pacific to be the world's four oceans. Now, those that side with the number five can add the fifth ocean and call it the Southern Ocean or the Antarctic Ocean, thanks to the International Hydrographic Organization (IHO). The IHO has attempted to settle that debate through a year 2000 publication by declaring, naming, and demarcating the Southern Ocean.

The IHO published the third edition of Limits of Oceans and Seas (S-23), the
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Follow Up By: Member - Jerry C (WA) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:57

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:57
Isn't ignorance bliss, I have one of the kids school atlas dated 1981 and that shows the Indian Ocean washing onto the west coast of Tassie as well as the Southern Ocean south of 60 Deg South. Here we go into 2007 with something new in our heads.

Happy and safe new year to all

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Reply By: Gob & Denny - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:43

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:43
hey doug
maybe the southern ocean dried up with global warming and the indian ocean has moved in lolololololol

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:54

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 19:54
Is that all it is ...phew had me worried , thought maybe a West Aussie fisherman got snagged on that southern island State
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Reply By: navaraman - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:26

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:26
I'm wondering why Doug T (W.A) was looking for a map of tassie on the net.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:46

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:46
Hahahaha.
Common practice, I believe. Hmm.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:31

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 21:31
Maybe his wife wouldn't show him...........
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:03

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:03
LOL I was wondering the same
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Reply By: Notso - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:52

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 20:52
I dunno but by the look of the map on Wikipedia it is about right. The southern ocean starts at 60 degrees south line of latitude
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Reply By: Trekkie (Member - WA) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:30

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:30
The following is some research I did some time ago

The Great Australian Bight was part of the INDIAN Ocean. The Pacific ends on East coast of Oz and along the West Coast of Tassie

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Indian Ocean
Background: A spring 2000 decision by the International Hydrographic Organization delimited a fifth world ocean from the southern portions of the Atlantic Ocean, INDIAN Ocean, and Pacific Ocean. The new ocean extends from the coast of Antarctica north to 60 degrees south latitude which coincides with the Antarctic Treaty Limit. The INDIAN Ocean remains the third-largest of the world's five oceans (after the Pacific Ocean and Atlantic Ocean, but larger than the Southern Ocean and Arctic Ocean).
Location: body of water between Africa, the Southern Ocean, Asia, and Australia
Geographic coordinates: 20 00 S, 80 00 E
Area:
total: 68.556 million sq km
note: includes Andaman Sea, Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal, Great Australian Bight, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, Mozambique Channel, Persian Gulf, Red Sea, Strait of Malacca, and other tributary water bodies
Ports and harbors: Calcutta (India), Chennai (Madras; India), Colombo (Sri Lanka), Durban (South Africa), Jakarta (Indonesia), Melbourne (Australia), Mumbai (Bombay; India), Richards Bay (South Africa)
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Follow Up By: Trekkie (Member - WA) - Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:45

Sunday, Dec 31, 2006 at 23:45
Southern Ocean
If it is 60 degrees South Latitude then the Great Australian Bight and the West Coast of Tassie are indeed part of the Indian Ocean

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Introduction Southern Ocean
Background: A decision by the International Hydrographic Organization in the spring of 2000 delimited a fifth world ocean - the Southern Ocean - from the southern portions of the Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean, and Pacific Ocean. The Southern Ocean extends from the coast of Antarctica north to 60 degrees south latitude, which coincides with the Antarctic Treaty Limit. The Southern Ocean is now the fourth largest of the world's five oceans (after the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, and Indian Ocean, but larger than the Arctic Ocean).
Geography Southern Ocean
Location: body of water between 60 degrees south latitude and Antarctica
Geographic coordinates: 65 00 S, 0 00 E (nominally), but the Southern Ocean has the unique distinction of being a large circumpolar body of water totally encircling the continent of Antarctica; this ring of water lies between 60 degrees south latitude and the coast of Antarctica and encompasses 360 degrees of longitude
Map references: Antarctic Region
Area: total: 20.327 million sq km
note: includes Amundsen Sea, Bellingshausen Sea, part of the Drake Passage, Ross Sea, a small part of the Scotia Sea, Weddell Sea, and other tributary water bodies
Area - comparative: slightly more than twice the size of the US
Coastline: 17,968 km
Climate: sea temperatures vary from about 10 degrees Celsius to -2 degrees Celsius; cyclonic storms travel eastward around the continent and frequently are intense because of the temperature contrast between ice and open ocean; the ocean area from about latitude 40 south to the Antarctic Circle has the strongest average winds found anywhere on Earth; in winter the ocean freezes outward to 65 degrees south latitude in the Pacific sector and 55 degrees south latitude in the Atlantic sector, lowering surface temperatures well below 0 degrees Celsius; at some coastal points intense persistent drainage winds from the interior keep the shoreline ice-free throughout the winter
Terrain: the Southern Ocean is deep, 4,000 to 5,000 meters over most of its extent with only limited areas of shallow water; the Antarctic continental shelf is generally narrow and unusually deep, its edge lying at depths of 400 to 800 meters (the global mean is 133 meters); the Antarctic icepack grows from an average minimum of 2.6 million square kilometers in March to about 18.8 million square kilometers in September, better than a sixfold increase in area; the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (21,000 km in length) moves perpetually eastward; it is the world's largest ocean current, transporting 130 million cubic meters of water per second - 100 times the flow of all the world's rivers
Elevation extremes: lowest point: -7,235 m at the southern end of the South Sandwich Trench
highest point: sea level 0 m
Natural resources: probable large and possible giant oil and gas fields on the continental margin, manganese nodules, possible placer deposits, sand and gravel, fresh water as icebergs; squid, whales, and seals - none exploited; krill, fishes
Natural hazards: huge icebergs with drafts up to several hundred meters; smaller bergs and iceberg fragments; sea ice (generally 0.5 to 1 meter thick) with sometimes dynamic short-term variations and with large annual and interannual variations; deep continental shelf floored by glacial deposits varying widely over short distances; high winds and large waves much of the year; ship icing, especially May-October; most of region is remote from sources of search and rescue
Environment - current issues: increased solar ultraviolet radiation resulting from the Antarctic ozone hole in recent years, reducing marine primary productivity (phytoplankton) by as much as 15% and damaging the DNA of some fish; illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing in recent years, especially the landing of an estimated five to six times more Patagonian toothfish than the regulated fishery, which is likely to affect the sustainability of the stock; large amount of incidental mortality of seabirds resulting from long-line fishing for toothfish
note: the now-protected fur seal population is making a strong comeback after severe overexploitation in the 18th and 19th centuries
Environment - international agreements: the Southern Ocean is subject to all international agreements regarding the world's oceans; in addition, it is subject to these agreements specific to the Antarctic region: International Whaling Commission (prohibits commercial whaling south of 40 degrees south [south of 60 degrees south between 50 degrees and 130 degrees west]); Convention on the Conservation of Antarctic Seals (limits sealing); Convention on the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (regulates fishing)
note: many nations (including the US) prohibit mineral resource exploration and exploitation south of the fluctuating Polar Front (Antarctic Convergence) which is in the middle of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current and serves as the dividing line between the very cold polar surface waters to the south and the warmer waters to the north
Geography - note: the major chokepoint is the Drake Passage between South America and Antarctica; the Polar Front (Antarctic Convergence) is the best natural definition of the northern extent of the Southern Ocean; it is a distinct region at the middle of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current that separates the very cold polar surface waters to the south from the warmer waters to the north; the Front and the Current extend entirely around Antarctica, reaching south of 60 degrees south near New Zealand and near 48 degrees south in the far South Atlantic coinciding with the path of the maximum westerly winds

Economy Southern Ocean
Economy - overview: Fisheries in 2000-01 (1 July to 30 June) landed 112,934 metric tons, of which 87% was krill and 11% Patagonian toothfish. International agreements were adopted in late 1999 to reduce illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing, which in the 2000-01 season landed, by one estimate, 8,376 metric tons of Patagonian and antarctic toothfish. In the 2000-01 antarctic summer 12,248 tourists, most of them seaborne, visited the Southern Ocean and Antarctica, compared to 14,762 the previous year.

Transportation Southern Ocean
Ports and harbors: McMurdo, Palmer, and offshore anchorages in Antarctica
note: few ports or harbors exist on the southern side of the Southern Ocean; ice conditions limit use of most of them to short periods in midsummer; even then some cannot be entered without icebreaker escort; most antarctic ports are operated by government research stations and, except in an emergency, are not open to commercial or private vessels; vessels in any port south of 60 degrees south are subject to inspection by Antarctic Treaty observers (see Article 7)
Transportation - note: Drake Passage offers alternative to transit through the Panama Canal

Transnational Issues Southern Ocean
Disputes - international: Antarctic Treaty defers claims (see Antarctica entry), but Argentina, Australia, Chile, France, NZ, Norway, and UK assert claims (some overlapping), including the continental shelf in the Southern Ocean; several states have expressed an interest in extending those continental shelf claims under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) to include undersea ridges; the US and most other states do not recognize the land or maritime claims of other states and have made no claims themselves (the US and Russia have reserved the right to do so); no formal claims exist in the waters in the sector between 90 degrees west and 150 degrees west

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 00:55

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 00:55
Trekkie
Bluddy hell , what have I done now , Seems they were right with the first map I posted and it sure seems to me that the Oziexplorer maps are wrong going by Wikpedia and the ever so long post by Trekkie, .....where did you learn to type so much in so little time ....LOL ..
SOooo this brings me to start on the Tasman Sea that I seen named as Pacific Ocean ....some where on one of those maps ....oh no here we go again

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 00:59

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 00:59
Having got my little finger... to type this in a very short time I think this answers the query about the Tasman

The Tasman Sea is the large body of water between Australia and New Zealand, some 2000 kilometres (1250 miles) across. It is a south-western segment of the South Pacific Ocean. The sea was named after the Dutch explorer Abel Janszoon Tasman, the first recorded European to discover New Zealand and Tasmania. The British explorer Captain James Cook later extensively explored the Tasman Sea in the 1770s as part of his first voyage of discovery.

The Tasman Sea is deemed by the International Hydrographic Organisation to include the waters to the east of the Australian states New South Wales, Victoria and Tasmania. The northern state of Queensland neighbours the Coral Sea, and the boundary between New South Wales and Queensland is also used as the boundary between the two seas.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 01:43

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 01:43
Thanks for that last bit Doug: I'd always thought that the Coral Sea was kinder Cairns region, while Tasman Sea was kinder Vic.
So there we go (Maybe). The state border may also separate the seas.
Funny old world.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 08:38

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 08:38
Doug,

Don't blame OziExplorer. Ozi doesn't contain any maps of it's own.

It depends on what maps you have associated with it:-)
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Reply By: Member - Kevin E (QLD) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:41

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:41
mmmmmmmm, nothing like a good map of tassie
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 11:16

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 11:16
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Sorry mate,!!! people from the mythical state of Queensland are not entitled to a say in the matter.........
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 13:34

Monday, Jan 01, 2007 at 13:34
LOL That's more like it!
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