Caravan suggestions

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 18:00
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Full caravans - We've looked at cheap and expensive, on road, off road etc. All the opinions are very confusing.
OK - we're looking to spend 40 - 70 k on new or used van and tow with an 80 series diesel. Might be away for 2-5 years, and need dirt road, not real off-road capabilities. Must have separate shower and toilet and a queen bed.
Any suggestions with reasons??
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Reply By: Alan H (Narangba QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 18:09

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 18:09
If you want quality off road capable check this site.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 23:10

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 23:10
Gee the first one is practically a twin to ours - and what a bargain price! Ours is same vintage, even the same shape. To save space in an 18', ours has the yacht (sideways) queen bed, and has en suite. Loads of room and storage. In 2005 we met a retired couple who had a similar 18 footer, and they had been on the road for 7 years.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 14:17

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It looks a steal IMO as well m/hen.
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Reply By: hopscotch - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 18:42

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 18:42
Hi Wanderer,

We have just spent four months living/working around Queensland and could certainly recommend that you look at www.galaxycaravans.com.au We are more than happy with the performance.

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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 16:56

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 16:56
I'll second that, my Gin Palace is a Galaxy series III complete with full sized ensuite and clothes washer... Lovely...
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Reply By: Turist (The Original One) - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 18:57

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 18:57
Bushtracker
or as an alternative
Bushtracker
another choice
Bushtracker
or you could give serious consideration to
Bushtracker
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 20:14

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 20:14
We made the right choice.

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Can't beat getting away from it all with a Bushtracker
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Reply By: Angler - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 22:58

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 22:58
Good vans are not cheap and cheap vans are not good.

Wise old vanners saying.

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Reply By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 07:42

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 07:42
Wanderer,

Mate, never owned a caravan though I have heard good reports about Kedron Caravans.

www.kedroncaravans.com/home%20frameset.htm

I have seen a few Bushtrackers over the years and they really look the goods.....I guess it is has previously said, you get what you pay for?
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Reply By: zha zha cruiser - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:54

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:54
Hi wanderer,
I wouldn't go for anything but a kedron. The guys that build them realy do use them. They have videos of their travels with their vans and worth watching. When your out in extreme heat you want to make sure your fridge works, etc. Someone else has given you their website, give them a call and I'm sure you'll get descent advice for what your doing. Wish u cld take me on year travels, good luck
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:09

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:09
Hi Wanderer,

I don't think some of the other posters have picked up on the fact that you need very little "real off-road capabilities".

While the bushtracker and Kedron are two very good vans, they are over-engineered if you are not using their tough off-road capabilities. They weigh ~25%-50% more than a typical on-road van due to their great chassis and cabinet work etc....

But if all you need is a bit of dirt road capability, then looking at even on-road vans from the more reputable builders will be fine. No need to lug extra weight around plus gives you far more options as far as makes and configurations go.

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Follow Up By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:36

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:36
Captain,

I wouldn't take an On-Road van down the Gibb River Road and that's a relitively simple dirt road that can be very corrugated at times. Away for 2-5 years with the ability to do dirt roads not serious Off-Road, my advice would be stick to an Off-Road version van. It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.........
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:03

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:03
Hi Teabag,

I suppose its all about horses for courses! The GRR is not a simple dirt road, it can be one of the most corrugated roads around and nothing but an off-road van should be taken along it (although many road vans have completed the trip, i certainly wouldn't).

The point being unless their vehicle is setup for off-road (recovery equipment, air compressor, straps, comms...etc) then they should not be going off-road. But if they have the appropriate gear, then having an off-road capable van is a good idea. But too often I have seen people with no off road experience think that just because they have a stock 4X4 (and off-road van) then they can go anywhere, just like in the TV ads!!!

But I certainly agree that if I was going "around the block" for 2-5 years then I would prefer an off-road van to see some of the more remote places.

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Follow Up By: Member - Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:16

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:16
Captain,

Agree, I did the Gibb River road over six weeks in June 05 and it was like a highway though in some places it was pretty rough (corrugations). I figure that if your going to do 2-5 years travelling you really don't want to be limited as to where you can go by the van not being an Off-Road version. With this in mind even with an Off-Road van you will still be limited in some places due to it's size and weight etc. Though I do see your point.........
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Reply By: Dazmit - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:32

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:32
We have a Kedron XC and are more than happy with it , however any good offroad van will be heavy.
If your 80 series is pre 1996 update I believe it only has a 2.5 tonne tow limit. A good sized tandem offroader with compressor fridge , solar panels batt with shower toilet would weigh at least 3 tonne loaded.
You also mention Diesel Landcruiser - I'm assuming it's the 1 Hzzzzzz therefore towing 3 tonne would be a real chore since they are not renown for their over abundance of power. Depends whether you mind being a mobile roadblock on hills to.
Just some more to think about as plenty of people buy a smick offroad van and end up having to update tow vehicles to suit.

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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:43

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:43
Hi Wanderer,

I'll go against the flow of recommending top-of-the-line 'off-road' vans. They're fine if you've got the $80K+ asking price for a new one but we haven't. We've been on the road for almost 5 years, give or take a few house-sitting stints along the way. We can't afford and don't want the weight of a full-on off-roader, but we wanted decent rough road ability and a decent payload. Here's a bit from a post of mine a month or so back:

" 300kg payload for single axles and 400kg for tandems seems to the de facto 'industry standard'. And yes, that has to include gas, water and any accessories added post-factory, like roll-out awnings, TV antennae, etc. before you even load a pair of clean socks!

You can get a higher payload but it costs money. Most custom-builders will build you a van with a higher payload and if you're really keen, you can have a van modified and re-certified.

We did this with our current van - it was a standard 18' tandem pop-top which we got near-new at the right price. We then paid Caboolture Caravan Repairs to strengthen the chassis for better rough-road ability. The original (remarkably accurate) Tare was 1550kg and the ATM 1950kg. CCR added 90kg of steel and extra spring leaves and I added 60kg of batteries from our previous van and it was re-Tared at 1700kg.

But, more importantly, because of the chassis strengthening, they were happy to certify it for an ATM of 2300kg (the original axle group rating is 2900kg, so plenty of margin there) - giving us 600kg of payload. This is all stamped on an official Qld Transport modification plate. No connection to CCR - just very satisfied customers. "

We have towed our van over quite a few gravel roads and believe it's well up to the task, but have no desire to drag it into the "bush". Our system for out of the way places is to leave the 'van at a caravan park in the major towns, then "tent it" for a few days (or weeks in the case of Simpson, Cape York, etc.) to see the more remote spots. We don't need all the mod cons in the bush and it adds to the adventure to go camping now and again. Our two-bobs worth...

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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 16:26

Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 16:26
Ian

I can agree with the above. Overloading vans kills vans quicker than taking them on gravel roads. Providing you travel at sensible speeds and keep off roads where the body will contact the road (creek crossings and deep ruts) you can cover a lot of gravel and natural form roads with standard vans.

As stated above tong term travellers carry more than the "industry standard" 3or400kg. We travel with around 450-500kg of disposable load.

Add to this the fitting of compressor fridges. Those who can not do the simple things to get their Dometic fridges to work are very vocal about compressor fridges so more and more are fitting them. Mostly tare weights of vans as registered is the weight before solar installations are included (yes there are some enlightened builders but most are not) and the necessary 3-400 A/H of batteries and the necessary panels to supply the power will consume a very high percentage of your load allowance. To keep the van weight down then order a 150 ltr Dometic fridge with a top vent on the top of the van like Winebago install - your fridge will perform as well as a compressor fridge.

Rather than spend your money on an off road van spend it in a van of mid range capability and spend the extra on upgrading it to carry at least 600 kg of load. If it is a twin axle one make sure the suspension is load sharing - if not then it throws a lot of extra stress back on your tow vehicle. Also when there is not equal load on the wheels you will suffer more brake lockup, It only took raising the Hayman Reece head up one hole to stop a friends van from locking up the rear wheels.

Just remember most of these so called off road vans are too big and cumbersome to be truly taken off road. As Collyn Rivers once said to me "I do go off road and the only vans I see out there are single axle Phoenix models."

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