Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:43
Hi Wanderer,
I'll go against the flow of recommending top-of-the-line 'off-road' vans. They're fine if you've got the $80K+ asking price for a new one but we haven't. We've been on the road for almost 5 years, give or take a few house-sitting stints along the way. We can't afford and don't want the weight of a full-on off-roader, but we wanted decent rough road ability and a decent payload. Here's a bit from a post of
mine a month or so back:
" 300kg payload for single axles and 400kg for tandems seems to the de facto 'industry standard'. And yes, that has to include gas,
water and any accessories added post-factory, like roll-out awnings, TV antennae, etc. before you even load a pair of clean socks!
You can get a higher payload but it costs money. Most custom-builders will build you a van with a higher payload and if you're really keen, you can have a van modified and re-certified.
We did this with our current van - it was a standard 18' tandem pop-top which we got near-new at the right price. We then paid Caboolture Caravan Repairs to strengthen the chassis for better rough-road ability. The original (remarkably accurate) Tare was 1550kg and the ATM 1950kg. CCR added 90kg of steel and extra spring leaves and I added 60kg of batteries from our previous van and it was re-Tared at 1700kg.
But, more importantly, because of the chassis strengthening, they were happy to certify it for an ATM of 2300kg (the original axle group rating is 2900kg, so plenty of margin there) - giving us 600kg of payload. This is all stamped on an official Qld Transport modification plate. No connection to CCR - just very satisfied customers. "
We have towed our van over quite a few gravel roads and believe it's
well up to the task, but have no desire to drag it into the "bush". Our system for out of the way
places is to leave the 'van at a caravan
park in the major towns, then "tent it" for a few days (or weeks in the case of Simpson,
Cape York, etc.) to see the more remote spots. We don't need all the mod cons in the bush and it adds to the adventure to go
camping now and again. Our two-bobs worth...
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 16:26
Wednesday, Jan 10, 2007 at 16:26
Ian
I can agree with the above. Overloading vans kills vans quicker than taking them on gravel roads. Providing you travel at sensible speeds and keep off roads where the body will contact the road (
creek crossings and deep ruts) you can cover a lot of gravel and natural form roads with standard vans.
As stated above tong term travellers carry more than the "industry standard" 3or400kg. We travel with around 450-500kg of disposable load.
Add to this the fitting of compressor fridges. Those who can not do the simple things to get their Dometic fridges to work are very vocal about compressor fridges so more and more are fitting them. Mostly tare weights of vans as registered is the weight before solar installations are included (yes there are some enlightened builders but most are not) and the necessary 3-400 A/H of batteries and the necessary panels to supply the power will consume a very high percentage of your load allowance. To keep the van weight down then order a 150 ltr Dometic fridge with a top vent on the top of the van like Winebago install - your fridge will perform as
well as a compressor fridge.
Rather than spend your money on an off road van spend it in a van of mid range capability and spend the extra on upgrading it to carry at least 600 kg of load. If it is a twin axle one make sure the
suspension is load sharing - if not then it throws a lot of extra stress back on your tow vehicle. Also when there is not equal load on the wheels you will suffer more brake lockup, It only took raising the Hayman Reece head up one hole to stop a friends van from locking up the rear wheels.
Just remember most of these so called off road vans are too big and cumbersome to be truly taken off road. As Collyn Rivers once said to me "I do go off road and the only vans I see out there are single axle Phoenix models."
PeterD
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