1080 Baiting

I've got no info for you, just a deep hatered for 1080 or any other bait.

I lost my dog 6 motnhs ago through a 1080 bait.
It was on private property, but as a 4wd park we were camping in a designated spot.
I was just thankful it wasn't one of my kids that picked it up and played with it.

Im not sure about WA but NT they could be anywhere!
Dont let your dogs or kids pick up anything!
They can be laid from the air so they get pretty scattered.
Cheers

Rest needed,

Try CALM (or whatever they call themselves this week). They should be able to advise if baiting in Nat PArks, or who to contact for more accurate info.

1080 is a "naturally occurring" poison that is ineffective on native animals, but serious for wild dogs and foxes. Supposed to be signs and warning up on entry points to baited areas.

I believe that some areas are aerial baited so accuracy might be a bit off. Apparently works very well, and seems to reduce wild dog numbers in a cost effective manner.

Unfortunately, not able to recognise a the difference between a wild dog, and the family pooch.

Sympathies with those who have lost pets to 1080.

RupertDog

From DEC Website - http://www.calm.wa.gov.au/

Dogs, on a lead, may be taken to certain areas within regional parks around Perth, most State forests (except Dryandra Woodland in the Wheatbelt, which is a sanctuary for Endangered animals) and parts of Lane Poole Reserve near Dwellingup.

However, DEC has a policy that dogs are not permitted in most national parks, conservation parks, nature reserves, marine parks and marine nature reserves, although dogs are allowed to travel in boats in marine parks and marine management areas. Places where dogs are allowed in parks and reserves will be signposted and dogs will need to be kept on a lead.

Visually impaired people with guide dogs can take their dogs into any DEC-managed area.

There are many reasons for restricting dogs and cats in national parks and reserves. These include the need to protect indigenous fauna as well as consideration of the rights of other park users.

In addition DEC runs Western Shield, a major campaign against feral predators. Foxes and cats have already contributed to the extinction of 10 native mammal species, and threaten many others. Western Shield aims to reduce feral cat and fox populations through baiting programs using 1080, a poison that occurs naturally in WA and does not harm native wildlife.

However, dogs and cats are very susceptible to 1080 poisoning, for which there is no antidote. Warning signs are placed prominently around baited areas but you should check with your local DEC office to find out which areas are currently baited. Dogs should not be allowed to roam in areas that have been baited, so to ensure their safety please leave them at home.

Cats are prohibited on all DEC-managed land because of the risk they pose to most native fauna.

If in doubt as to whether you can take your dog onto CALM-managed land, contact your local DEC office.

Where you can take your dog
Here is a list of DEC-managed sites, as well as some shire reserves near DEC-managed lands, where dogs are permitted:

ALBANY
Dogs may be taken to:
(east of) Nannarup Beach,
Goode Beach to Mistaken Island,
Frenchmans Bay,
the east side of Cosy Corner,
the eastern end of Middleton Beach, and
Sand Patch.
Dogs must be on a lead or with the owner at all times on City of Albany-managed estate. Check with the City of Albany Office for further details.

BLACKWOOD RIVER AREA

Dogs may be taken to Wright’s Bridge on the Nannup-Balingup Road, and several smaller camping grounds. Contact the local DEC office on (08) 9752 5555.

ESPERANCE
Dogs may be taken to shire-managed beaches at:

Starvation Boat Harbour,
Munglinup Beach,
Quagi Beach
designated Esperance townsite beaches,
Wylie Bay,
Wharton Beach (Shire section of beach only),
Little Wharton,
Duke of Orleans Bay,
Membinup Beach (4WD only),
Alexander Beach (4WD only),
Kennedy’s Beach (4WD only), and
Israelite Bay (4WD only).
Dogs may be taken to the DEC-managed Helms Arboretum.

GOLDFIELDS
Dogs are permitted at the Arboretum in Kalgoorlie.

JURIEN to MOORA
There are several areas within the Jurien Bay Marine Park adjacent to shire-designated animal beaches where dogs and horses are allowed to swim. Dogs are allowed to travel in boats in marine parks.

PEMBERTON/MANJIMUP
Cleave Road,
Carey picnic site on the Vasse Highway,
Big Brook Arboretum,
Moon’s Crossing,
River Road Bridge,
Northcliffe Forest Park,
Brockman Sawpits,
100 Year Forest,
Big Brook Dam, except around the beach area, and
Windy Harbour Shire Reserve – but dogs are not permitted in the camping grounds.
WALPOLE
Between Walpole and Denmark, dogs can be taken to shire-managed beaches at:

Peaceful Bay,
Boat Harbour, and
Parry’s Beach.
This does not include areas of National Park or Nature Reserve adjacent to shire land.

YALLINGUP-MARGARET RIVER-DUNSBOROUGH
Dogs may be taken on a lead to:

Yallingup Beach,
Smith’s Beach,
signposted beaches around Dunsborough, and
signposted areas of Bramley National Park.
PERTH HILLS
Dogs are allowed on a lead at:

Lane Poole Reserve, in 8 camping areas and 2 picnic areas*:

Baden-Powell,

Tony’s Bend,

Charlie’s Flat,

Yarragil,

Chuditch,

Nanga Mill,

Stringers

Nanga Townsite

Island Pool* and

Baden-Powell*
Marrinup,
Oakley Dam picnic area,
Scarp Pool picnic area, and
Goldmine Hill picnic area.
For more information call (08) 9538 1078.

PERTH REGIONAL PARKS
Beeliar

Dogs are permitted on a lead and under effective control in all DEC-managed areas of Beeliar Regional Park except for Thomsons Lake Nature Reserve, Harry Waring Marsupial Reserve and the wetland and water bodies managed by DEC.

In relation to dog access in areas managed by local government, please contact the City of Melville (9364 0666), City of Cockburn (9411 3444) and the Town of Kwinana (9419 2222).

Jandakot

Dogs are permitted on a lead and under effective control in all DEC-managed areas of Jandakot Regional Park , except for Banksia, Modong, Wandi and Piara Nature Reserves.

In relation to dog access in areas managed by local government, please contact the City of Cockburn (9411 3444) and the Town of Kwinana (9419 2222).

Herdsman Lake

Dogs are permitted on a lead and under effective control in all DEC-managed areas in the Herdsman Lake Regional Park, except for the areas surrounding the Herdsman Lake Wildlife Centre and the wetlands and water bodies of the park.

Please contact the City of Stirling (9345 8555) in relation to dog access in areas of Herdsman Lake Regional Park under its control.

Yellagonga

Dogs are permitted on a leash and under effective control in all DEC-managed areas in Yellagonga Regional Park except for area 19, which is off Duffy Terrace and illustrated in the Yellagonga Regional Park Management Plan 2003 -2013; and the wetlands and water bodies of the park.

In relation to dog access in areas of Yellagonga Regional Park managed by local government, please contact the City of Joondalup (9400 4000) and City of Wanneroo (9405 5000) for further information.

Rockingham Lakes

Dogs are permitted off-lead in gazetted Dog Exercise Areas at Cape Peron, bounded on the east by Hymus Street and extending around the coast generally in a westerly direction and then in a southerly direction and bounded on the south by Boundary Road.

In the remaining areas of the park, dogs are permitted on a lead and under effective control except at Port Kennedy Scientific Park and the wetlands and water bodies of the park managed by DEC.

Please contact the City of Rockingham (9528 0333) in relation to dog access in areas of Rockingham Lakes Regional Park under its control.

Woodman Point

Dogs are permitted on a lead and under effective control in all DEC-managed areas of Woodman Point Regional Park except for Woodman Point Nature Reserve, Woodman Point Headland and on the grassed areas of John Graham Reserve.

Please contact the City of Cockburn (9411 3444) in relation to dog access in areas of Woodman Point Regional Park under its control. Dogs are not permitted on the beaches adjoining the park.

Canning River

Dogs are permitted on a lead and under effective control in DEC-managed areas of the park apart from the following:

Areas 2 and 4 – Bannister Creek and associated wetlands and flood plain;
Area 6 – Surrey Road Salt Marsh;
Areas 8 and 9 – Wilson Wetlands;
Area 17 – Nicholson Road Billabong; and
Area 20 – Canning River Islands.

My suggestion, as these baits can be nearly anywhere, invest in a decent muzzle. The wire cage types are good as it will still allow you pooch to drink, but not to eat any nasties off of the forest floor. I paid nearly $60 for one, but in my books, is much better than personal heartache that would follow the eating of a bait.

Pretty much the same over here (Vic) plus dog traps in forests and parks.

In years gone by it was common for farmers to throw out blocks of meat or food laced with 1080. It was fairly effective but problems would occur when a bird or scavenger picked up the bait and moved it to another part of the property or another farm all together prior to its demise.

The baits now have to be burried a minimum depth to reduce this likelyhood.

I would expect some baits to be moved by birds etc when aerial baiting is used and baits just lie on the ground. For this reason I would recommend a muzzle on your pooch.

We have just had one of our property's baited with 1080 today.(By a Gov body)
For Rabbit's ! what a bloody mess they make.
Signs erecteed every where.
I would also hate to loose my dog but who ever is doing the baiting should also ring all neighbours and erect sign's.

Regards Jeff M (SA)

G"Day a lot of the station people bait dingo's. We had a huge problem with the dingo's coming into town.It would nothing to see three or four walking the streets.We lost our cat to them they slso killed a few dogs and injured many more.Some of the dingo's were shot.The stations are not allowed to bait with in ten ks of a town.Sorry about your dog i have to be real careful when i take me ol dog out bush now !

Cheers

To my disgust, 1080 baits are very much Australia wide.

Last year we drove the Western Deserts and had to very aware of where our dog was at any time. Baits are laid out on the Canning Stock Route as well.

My opinion is that it is a stupid, lazy practise. I would rather see genuine Fox and Dog Trappers and shooters out there, plying their trade and getting statistical results. That way more people could be employed as well.

I am still to be convinced that it is not harmful to other wildlife, such as the birds of prey.

Cheers

Rest Needed,

Try reading archived post number 37926, that I started last September. There's some good stuff in it.

This is the URL to it:

Site Link

I spend the whole winter in the WA bush looking for the "yellow metal". I can tell you that we have a very big problem with wild dog packs in WA. Last winter, it was on the ABC Radio News repeatedly about 2 big packs moving from Menzies to east of Kal and another from Wiluna to Laverton. The bulk of these were half breeds and dangerous and yet tourists were stll feeding 'em!! My litte mate goes everywhere with me out there. I never, ever, ever let him off the lead - but read my story on the other thread - bleep can happen even when it's on a lead.

There are new 1080 signs all over the place out there now, far more than I've ever seen in 20 years being out there.

If a dog takes a bait you've got about 20 minutes to make it vomit - use lots of salt water, force it down the dog, make him spew - otherwise it's a goner. You'd be doing it a favour if you can shoot it. That would break my heart but it's gotta be done. There is no antidote, none. 20 minutes is all you've got. It takes about 3 to 4 hours to die and it's not pleasant to watch. I've spoken with vets about this. They all say the same thing.

I did a lot of research on 1080 and how dangerous it is to dogs and also how dangerous it ISN'T to humans. An adult would have to eat around 15 kgs of pork in one sitting, from an pig that had died of 1080 poisoning to even get a little bit sick. People that mix baits have been made ill by not washing thier hands when mixing concentrated bait compound. I still wouldn't like a child to eat a bait though. It does affect native animals and birds but nowhere to the same degree as dogs. Dogs/foxes are specifically susceptible to 1080 bait. Other animals are far less affected but do suffer if they eat enough of it. A dog only needs to lick the bait for it to die. Also it can die quite readily if it eats any meat from a dead carcass from an animal that previously was killed by 1080, or eats another dogs vomit if that dog was 1080 poisoned. That's why it's a very effective dog killer. It can be 5 dogs with one bait.

1080 bait degrades quite quickly but its rate of degradation depends on the weather, rain etc. Anything from 2 weeks to 2 months.

I'll try and find some links on 1080 that I once had and put 'em up here.

Use a muzzle or keep 'em on a lead and watch EVERYTHING that he sniffs at. Don't let 'em lick anything at all.

Good luck,

Bilbo

1080 link may offer some useful information on 1080.

Jack

As farmers, we bait to prevent foxes from destroying our lamb crop. We invest heavily in our business, and a 'crop' is our entire year's income potential. It is not practical to sit up all night every night and hope a fox walks past your gun sights.

Most baiting campaigns are held in autumn prior to lambing, and we try and coordinate this with neighbours to get the best results. They can take place at any other time of the year, such as now, when fox populations have built up since last autumn, and we have seen evidence of foxes on the farm (eg the scratch marks and fox droppings at the chook yard gate). In summer, i often loose an entire pen of chooks - the fox gets in and kills the lot - instinct is to do this to set up a pantry of food, but they rarely come back again. They can wipe out an entire breed in a very short time.

Regulations have made it such that now we have to obtain a permit from our Agriculture Department before we can purchase 1080 baits. This permit lasts for 2 weeks. We are provided with Dog Bait signs to put on the farm boundary or nearby. Baits are in the form of a piece of tough dried meat compound which must be tethered with wire (crows can move loose baits). Baits are stored in a locked cabinet (usually the gun cabinet). Of course this is dependent on the farmer following the rules completely.

We have lost dogs with baiting in the past, which is devastating. Our dogs are not only 'family members', but working dogs are and hard working 'employees'. These losses were most likely from baits moved by crows when baits were loose laid.

I don't know if aerial baiting still takes place in government forest land - it well may do. They drop small cubes of 1080 impregnated compounded meat. Native animals, such as the chuditch, are immune to 1080 which is a naturally occurring substance in certain plants.

Living in the agricultural areas, we are baiting for foxes. I cannot speak about wild dog (be they dingo or dingo/dog crosses) baiting or control in the pastoral areas.

Mother,

You're quite correct. But to believe that native animals are totally immune to 1080, as some here believe, is incorrect. Native animals can die from 1080. It's just a question of how much they eat of it.

I'll see if I can find that list.

I see "Explorer" has provided some furher info also.

Bilbo

Mother and others,

Here's the list and a link to a good site. There are others but I've lost the links in
"My Favourites".

Site Link

Mainly about using 1080 for rabbit control: http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/pls/portal30/docs/FOLDER/IKMP/PW/VP/RAB/F08901.PDF

Shows a bit more about what you were saying, Mother about developing a tolerance

Site Link

For more info - a heap of it, Google = "1080 Western Australia"

Bilbo

Also,

If there's anyone on here that wants feral cats or dogs shot on farming property. I'd be willing to do it - especially the cats, I hate the buggers. I dislike killing things but I hate feral cats more,,,,,,,,,the next one wouldn't be the first,,,,,,,,,

I need the practice. I haven't used me gun for about 5 years!!

Bilbo

Rod,

The current WA Government couldn't run a bath let alone a State,,,,,

Schools U/S, hospitals choked, police leaving the force in droves, crime gettingh worse, most highly taxed state in Australia, can't get a brass cracker out of Canberra, cardboard multinovas, corruption running rife,,,,,,,,,,,,,

So really nothings changed in 200 years has it?

Bilbo

Looks like i stirred up a bit of a hornets nest, definately a hot topic.

Thank you one and all for your comments and advice, it has given me a lot to think about and some ideas for keeping my dog safe.

Thank you for your time

Kind regards
Craig

Hi rest needed

As often happens, your thread did run a bit off track, so you probably had to wade through quite a bit to get any info on where and why (plenty of the why).

We had heard of caravaners who have lost their dogs when just making a doggy comfort stop at a parking bay (in other states). Although my husband misses his 'best friend' when travelling, and envies others we see travelling with dogs, we choose for several reasons to leave her at home with family.

Safe and happy travelling, with or without your doggy.

Well, the 1080 debate has certainly gone round in circles with many varied opinions. I believe the government would like to ban it if they could, but 1080 is the lesser of two evils, and the safest, most effective method of controlling wild dogs. If it wasn't, some bureaucrat would have banned it for sure.

I don't know what the situation is in other states, but in Victoria, the baiting area is well signed and pink ribbons are placed within 10 metres of the bait.

Shooting and trapping wild dogs is not an easy task. A good shooter may get up to 20 foxes in a night, but wild dogs are far more cunning. Professional shooters and trappers, often only average one dog a day, and sometimes a good deal less. As for feral cats, they're almost impossible to destroy in the bush.

There is no nice way to kill an animal that looks good for the tv and chardonnay greenies. Wild dogs aren't to particular about how they kill a lamb either.