Japanese Dolphin Slaughter - somewhat off topic

Maybe we should round all of them up and do the same? I'm sure we could get the sharks, whales and dolphins to have a feed of fresh Japanese sushimi!

Maybe we should ask Toyota Motor Corporation and Nissan to declare their attitude towards this.

They make environmentally friendly claims - perhaps they should be standing up for it against the perpetrators and getting the gov't to crack down on them.

This is Toyota's 2010 Global Vision and Earth Charter. Perhaps they should be forced to stand up to it.

I think I will put something together to them on this.

Good idea, we should all email all japanese companies them and ask their position on this

"we will see a lot more when Australia ellegaly sells uranium to china and india with the encoragement of the USA.They will be breaking the nuclier proliferation laws"

WTF has this got to do with the OT topic LOLOL

Gramps, I think JTB was alluding to the fact that yes Japan are behaving badly in this respect, but are Australia behaving any better in some other areas of international concern?

Barnesy,

JTB needs to learn a lot more about NPT. Firstly, it is a treaty, NOT law of any shape or form. China IS allowed nuclear weapons under the NPT. India neither signed nor ratified the treaty. So how exactly would Australia be acting illegally ???

Tuesday, 19 December 2006

HOWARD AND RUDD MUST NOT APE BUSH IN TRAMPLING INTERNATIONAL LAW ON NUCLEAR

The Australian Greens have condemned the Bush administration's decision to once again trample international law by agreeing to export nuclear fuel and technology to India.

Greens' spokesperson on nuclear issues, Senator Christine Milne said John Howard and Kevin Rudd must abandon the globally reckless U.S. nuclear agenda, and rule out immediately the export of uranium from Australia to India.

"Either you respect and uphold international law or you abandon it in favour of a lawless world. President Bush may favour lawlessness but Australia should not.

"Australia's subservience to the US, especially on Iraq and climate change has severely damaged our international standing. We are becoming a global rogue, undermining international law and making the world less safe," Senator Milne said.

"India is a nuclear armed power and a non-signatory to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The U.S. India deal further damages an already weak international agreement and should not be condoned.

"President Bush claimed that invading Iraq would make the world safer and instead he created a debacle. Who is going to believe him when he says that this Indian nuclear deal will make the world safer?

"The world and especially our region will be less secure as a result of this deal.

"George Bush's argument to support this dangerous trade between two nuclear powers that it will provide opportunities for
American business is ethically and morally moribund.

"To further compound security concerns, ongoing negotiations with Iran and North Korea can only be serious undermined by the U.S India nuclear trade.

"Prime Minister Howard followed Bush into the Iraq war debacle - there is absolutely no excuse for making the same mistake twice," Senator Milne said.

The losing of true democracy is my concern the government's are not acting in the will of the people.Our human writes are at stake and being abused.

It all becomes clear now JTB. If you base your opinions on the rantings of the Australian Greens there is no hope for you.

Because Senator Milne and his ilk interpret the Treaty as LAW does'nt make it so.

I suppose you believe our current PM on international issues Gramps?

I find it amusing whenever the Greens have a point to make some people call them 'ravings' or 'rants'. The Greens are more outspoken about the slaughter of whales by Japanese than any other Australian party! Isn't that what this thread is about?

Open your eyes Gramps and work out for yourself who is telling the truth and who is bulls**ting people to get their own way.

Barnesy

Barnesy/JTB,

This thread started off about the slaughter of wildlife, something none of us agree with.

What I object to is you two idiots trying to turn it into a political sideshow. Take your political views and shove them where the sun does'nt shine. This is NOT a forum for dumb arse political comments such as those espoused by you two.

Do you think that having a thread on this forum saying how bad and naughty the Japanese are will stop them? All this can do is raise awareness of the issue which is commendable in itself.

Only international political intervention can stop them Gramps, it is THE central issue here.

Barnesy

Al, not the first time Barnsey has converted a thread like this. Have you seen such a big John Thomas before? Probably best to let go while you are ahead mate...;-)

P**s off John R. Stay away from threads that I'm in. I thought I made that clear the other day.

So bullying is your normal style Barnsey? I think it is Andrew's post.

LOL since when do you, Barnesy, decide who comments in what thread. We know you think you're special and some kind of "community conscience" but don't worry, it's all in your mind. It'll go away in time.

Sorry Barnsey, I shouldn't have said that.

I don't have any gripe with you Gramps. JBT was getting way off the point. I agree with you about the slaughter of wildlife. I also agree with many others in this thread who have also expanded on this issue a little.

No worries Barnesy. We'll let it rest. I've had my pills and all calm again hahahaha

Gramps, I agree to the points on slaughter of the sea mammals and interesting Australia is still on the line of Malcolm Fraser on the ban on whaling 28 years ago. Many resources are too much in danger.

It may satisfy Barnsey to some extent, I actually signed the petition early after the post went up. I know really he isn't interested in that though.

Garry,

Not disagreeing that shouldn't be done, just the way it is done.
See my post above.

Now what will happen if some aliens land and decide these humans don't look too bad for processing? I don't think we could complain.

Problem with darwinism, gives us an excuse to kill off the 'lower' species.

Now if I read J Gould properly, he pointed out that we have a misconception of our place on the tree of evolution. Chimpanzees are actually at the top, homo sapiens are a break off mutation that happened to survive. Humans can't just accept the fact so we rewrite it to suit ourselves.

Hard to tell if you're on the side of conserving oceanic mammals or not Lionel. I think there is a difference between abandoning political correctness and out-&-out rednecked violence.

tried that, and it worked. we still speak english.

Somehow I don't think that dropping a nuclear weapon on Japan for a third time will stop them whaling and slaughtering Dolphins.

Good comment Ray,

I remember an interesting news item whereby Japan apparently has an over-supply of whale meat. They are freezing it and storing it in increasing numbers. (Maybe they are stockpiling it for "the next World War".
The younger population are not consuming the meat to the extent that the "producers" would like and youngsters are now being "educated" into consuming the meat they are currently shunning.

As I said above, "scientific research?'........CRAP.

>it is about time the rest of the world stood up to them ( this includes the governments of the world )
>Greenpeace seems to be the only one making a statement.

That's true Kiwi Ray

yes and i hyave never seen non farm bred animals rounded up from their natural environment and dunked into water (their foreighn environment ) towed around by a boat sometimes throats cut to kill and other times not it seems.
Sorry crap analagy but that bore no resemblence to any abbotoir i have been in

ditto