Mechanical survival

Submitted: Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:02
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Hi all, we are considering going outback with our GU and neither hubby or I have any mechanical knowledge whatsoever in all things diesel. My question is, is there anywhere in Perth where one could do some sort of survival machanical course thingie, things like bleeding fuel lines, changing filters, anything that can be done on the back roads by an amateur just to get going again.
I am not totally 'mecahnically dead' as I was brought up on a farm and we use to do all our own mechanical work ourselves but they were old vehicles (no computers back in the sixties) and they weren't diesels, Petrol and kerosene was the go then.

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:04

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:04
My solution is to take a sat phone and a list of numbers to call if you get into strife. The handbook for the car is a source of inspiration, I learned to bleed the water from the fuel there, so maybe a good place to start, other than that maybe a how-to book and a friendly knowledgable friend
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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:14

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:14
Hi Bonz, yes we have the sat phone & vehicle manual but find instructions these days for my old overworked grey matter hard to follow and would like the manual knowledge before starting out. (it makes the vehicle manuals easier to follow).

As far as the sat phone is concerned, definately great to have but a long wait for help and I would be so frustrated just waiting if I could have prepared myself in the first place.

Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:18

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:18
Yep I know what u mean. I have learned lots leaning over Toyotas watching them being repaired and asking questions. That reminds me an EO Rockcrawler was gonna arrange a winch maintenance exercise must get onto that.
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Reply By: Gob & Denny - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:35

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:35
goodday deanna
some of the TAFES used to run mechanical courses for beginners/women to get some basic knowledge so might be worth a try
you can look at some places on the net at what they have to offer

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:39

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:39
Hi Gob & Denny, good idea with the net, will check it out. I had thought about TAFE.

Thanks for your input.

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Reply By: dawesy - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:37

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:37
I got the Gregorys manual for the GQ and it's been brilliant. Saved me on the side of the road one day when the kill switch the previous own had mounted under the carpet in the drivers footwell and not told me about gave out. Even if you don't want to read it much it's worth having in the car, could come across someone mechanically minded who just doesn't know patrols and they can use the book to help. Also gives a lot of step by step troubleshooting, so if somethings busted you go to it's section and follow the steps.

As for a course, try calling your local tafe, they may do some short courses. Possibly even some kind of pre-course for their mechanics courses. Community colleges may also be worth a look, seems like they sort of helpful thing they'd do.

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Follow Up By: Gob & Denny - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:41

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:41
goodday dawesy
yes your right the gregorys manual are very good right down to basics of a quick service on the roadside

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:41

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:41
Thanks Dawesy, a Gregory's manual is definitely on the list

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Reply By: Mike Harding - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:38

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:38
Damn good question.

This is an interesting one and what I'm going to say won't apply to everyone and, I'm sure, there will be notable exceptions who have rebuilt their engine with a bent hairpin in the middle of nowhere... but...

mechanical skills, faultfinding skills etc tend to be learned over a long period of time and if one has spent much of a lifetime having the car serviced by a garage and calling the repair man when the washing machine fails or the shelf falls off the wall I have serious doubts that you would, readily, be able to acquire such skills from a course. Having said that I would certainly recommend a course in basic car mechanics but don't think what you learn will equip you to do "get me out of here" repairs in the bush - it might help, that's all.

I agree with Bonz (even he has to be right occasionally! :) take a Sat Phone or HF radio and be prepared to pay for repairs.

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Follow Up By: dawesy - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:46

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 16:46
That's a fair point. I must admit working on the car has been the best teacher. Doing the electrics, doing a service, replacing belts, fan, slave cylinder, water pump... Generally while you're in there doing one thing, you figure out another, and if it goes wrong you know how it works!

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:50

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:50
Hi Mike, thank you for your reply, I agree that mechanical skills takes a long time, I had 21 years of "training" with my Dad on the farm but as I have said that was so long ago and things have changed so much since then and the vehicles were not Diesel, this is my concern. Because of previous experience I wouldn't have thought that it would take me too long to work out what I want to learn in case of an emergency. One problem out there, you wouldn't even find any "cockies friend" used regularly on the farm ha ha ha.
We do have a sat phone and will be getting a Gregory's Manual as well and cross the fingers and hope for the best.

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Reply By: Max - Sydney - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 18:32

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 18:32
Hey fellas - is there no one in Perth who is prepared to spend half a day with someone who wants to NOT be one of the dozeys who cannot do the basics on their car?

Sure - it takes a lifetime, as well as some inherited skills, to be a bush mechanic, but I bet an old (whoops - I mean a previous!) farm girl would pick up the skills real quick, and morning spent showing how to bleed the air out of the line, drain off the bottom of the fuel tank, check and tighten connections on the batteries, know where the fuses are and how to identify a blown one, look for the fusible links, know where the jack goes etc etc would earn you a barbecue lunch and maybe a can of that funny beer you have over there!

Its ok to ring the RACWA and wait overnight for the guy to come out and replace a fuse, but here is someone willing to save him the trip.

And yes - I'm stuck if someone in Sydney challenges me!

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 18:35

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 18:35
Hahahaha be careful Max :))))
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 18:48

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 18:48
My suggestion would be to join a 4wd club and get to know some of the more savvy members who do their own maintenance. It's not going to happen overnight, but if you endear yourselves to a bloke who knows his way around his garage/workshop, you may be able to impose on him to visit his place when he has some jobs to do on his truck. You may be invited to assist. A carton of the bloke's favourite brew would be greatly appreciated.
As somebody else has already said, these skills cannot be learnt in a quicky course etc. Many of the skills are learnt the hard way; by fault finding.
I have a philosophy of spending what my wife considers to be an inordinate amount of time underneath my 4x4 (especially after I just purchase one), familiarising myself with every nut and bolt......that way, if something goes awry, at least I can crawl underneath and have half a chance of working out what's missing/broken etc. Then it's a case of trying to fix with whatever is available, or with satphone in hand, you may be able to summon help and at least be able to tell the rescuer/s what is missing/broken.....rather than just saying "car won't go"....etc etc.
I'm a bankie, but like to do my own vehicle servicing. I've never had any training and started by doing simple oil changes etc. With a diesel, there really isn't oo much you have to do anyway. If you have a major breakdown (like a holed piston etc), it wouldn't matter how good you were on the spanners, you'd need to be recovered.
The things I've had go wrong have all related to things like loose bolts etc. It pays to take a plastic box with all manner of bolts, hose clamps, fan belts, radiator hoses, cable ties, 100 mile-an-hour tape etc etc, not to mention a range of spanners, socket set, pliers, etc etc
I'd be happy to offer my services to anybody in your position in the capacity I mentioned at the beginning of this follow-up. I don't profess to be an expert of any sort, but quite often some basic experience and common sense is more important.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:37

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:37
Hi Roachie, thanks for your advice, a lot of it I know as I put in my origanal post that we did all our own maintenance on the farm when I was much younger, but they were old vehicles, tractors and trucks (real ones) plus farm machinery so I do know how to use a spanner, it's the diesel motor and the computer and other stuff that concerns me. In an emergency I would have a go but it would be nice to have a bit of first hand knowledge before we started out. I just thought that there may have been some sort of pre -apprenticeship course or something out there that I don't know about.

I'm not sure that I would like to impose on anyones private time as private time these days seems to be pretty scarce at the best of times.
Thanks for your help Roachie, I have taken it on board.

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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:58

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 21:58
Try Robson brothers in Bentley

I think they run a program on Saturday mornings

www.robsonbros4wd.com.au/

Or they will know where to go

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Follow Up By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 22:13

Monday, Mar 12, 2007 at 22:13
Hi Richard, yes I contacted Ray Harris of 4WD training & Campfire Escapes and Denise did suggest to contact Rob but I didn't know that he actually did the courses so will definately check that one out. Tried the RAC and a couple other places before posting.

Thanks for that

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Reply By: Bilbo - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 00:24

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 00:24
"Dunnie" - he, he - you asked fer that,

I'm in Perth, you're in Perth??

I'm an ex-diesel mechanic. I go bush OFTEN. I've broken down on odd occasion,,,,,,,,I'm still alive and back home,,,,,I used to be THE breakdown mechanic for big trucking company - 20 years ago. My motto was "Bring 'em back alive". On the odd occasion I did.

What dya want to know?

PM me for a date, time and place and I'll teach ya all I know,,,,,,,,,

(Should take about 30 seconds)

Nah, I could show you a fair bit in a day. I'm retired but I'm leaving Perth for a long bush trip in about 4 weeks. I live in Safety Bay. It'll cost you a bottle of Bundy ( the BIG size!) or a carton of Coopers Dark Ale. NOTE:- small size Bundy bottle of, equals only half a day.

PS - there are some things that ya just can't fix,,,,,,,,but they're all on Toyotas ;)

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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 15:40

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 15:40
So......can Hobbits live on Bundy and Coopers?

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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 16:28

Tuesday, Mar 13, 2007 at 16:28
Duncs,

Hobbits can indeed live on Coopers and Bundy. This one's been doing it for the last 40 years, so true it must be, Master Duncs.

J.R. Tolkien even ensured that Hobbit's of The Shire did partake of the occasional ale. I've merely followed on from where Tolkien left off,,,,,,,,,,,

Bilbo - "Hence the expression - bleep as a hobbit!"
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