MS Vista deletes whatever programmes it dislikes from your disk!

Although I have a number of (justified and considered) criticisms of some Microsoft products I'm actually quite fond of Bill and his sensible use of his cash :)

www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

However I agree... Linux in one of it's variants is looking more and more attractive
especially with the wealth of free software available for it.

www.ubuntu.com/

Mike Harding

Or free Mandriva 2007 Linux which I use. No viruses, trojans or spyware.
www.mandriva.com/en/download/free
cheers
T.R.

Another vote for Ubuntu - you can even burn it to a CD and just boot from your CD drive to "road test" it without screwing up your Windows machine.

Very slick, but not quite ready for the average home user just yet who don't want to know about shell commands. Fantastic for anyone comfortable tinkering though!

Good idea, stick with XP and leave Vista alone until at least after the first major uprgade or Service Pack release. By then a lot more hardware and software should be up to speed and be able to run smoothly on Vista.

..........."D.S.E. should have warned me about this, assuming that they are up with the field about this, as they should be ,as they to my mind proport to be an industry leader in computer matters. "........

I would ,with the utmost respect, beg to differ. How could a bunch of pimply faced juvenile twerps possibly be considered industry leaders. I would put them in the same league as the nappy wearing morons from Hardly Normal.

If you have a need for a system to fulfill a particular requirement, be it for business or pleasure ... find an expert an stick with him/her/them.

............ rant over ;-)

Cheers

..........."D.S.E. should have warned me about this, assuming that they are up with the field about this, as they should be ,as they to my mind proport to be an industry leader in computer matters. "........

I would ,with the utmost respect, beg to differ. How could a bunch of pimply faced juvenile twerps possibly be considered industry leaders. I would put them in the same league as the nappy wearing morons from Hardly Normal.

If you have a need for a system to fulfill a particular requirement, be it for business or pleasure ... find an expert and stick with him/her/them.

............ rant over ;-)

Cheers

Oops ... you can't edit posts here .. often wondered....... :o)

Oh Gramps theres a good one for us from Rosco... "pimply faced juvenile twerps" replaces "pimply faced tossers"
I just wonder what ever happened to "run,8,1" on my Commodore 64... I'll stick to XP untill I have no choice, by then Sybil will have discoved I spend ages in here and will have removed this little pleasure from my life so it won't matter.

Rosco you are correct find an expert in the field you want and stick with her, Can anyone find Miranda's email adress, it's gonna be one of those weeks!

LOL Basil, I did notice Rosco's apt description of those who serve in DSE and HN :))))

My pleasure Gentlemen .......... only offering my humble assistance where I perceive it may be required.

Cheers

Have to totally agree with you Rosco, being in the business I get to see both sides of the coin though, unfortunately it seems to be the (shall we say elder states-persons) of our area that come into the shop and want Vista come hell or high water.

We go through all the explanations, re: you need nearly a new PC to run the program and it doesn't even support Quickbooks or MYOB to name just a few and then it turns out to be our fault for stocking the item.

My pet hate is to see Laptop manufacturers selling their products especially through DSE and HN with Vista loaded and only 512 ram Vista definately needs at least 1 gig to run properly and even XP with all its updates should have a gig to perform anywhere near its potental.

Had my say, maybe I am one of the "If you have a need for a system to fulfill a particular requirement, be it for business or pleasure ... find an expert and stick with him/her/them" that rosco mentions, geeze I'll get a swelled head. LOL.

Just go buy it and hen call another guy (in melbourne for work) and ask him how to change the workgroup name on the Vista laptop hahahah then casually mention "I didnt buy the $149" 24hr helpdesk option" hahahahaha

they have been owned by woolies for a very long time. It's not a recent aquisition.

Leroy

Also, try to understand: people who are paid $10 per hour are NOT electronics engineers who are able to provide cogent advice to every thick member of the public.

Mike Harding – who had two sons working in retail whilst they were doing a degree course – they have (had) my sympathy!

Woolies not only own Dick Smiths, but Tandy as well.
Bugger Hey!

Sorry Mike I have to disagree with you. "Also, try to understand: people who are paid $10 per hour are NOT electronics engineers who are able to provide cogent advice to every thick member of the public."

I have staff and have one over-riding rule, if you don't understand what the customer wants don't just try to bull-sh#t through it. Get a more experienced staff member to assist you. My pet hate used to be listeneing to sales people and I include the 18year old $16 per hour staff talk total hog wash to customers at these retail chains because they hadn't been taught or listened when it came to product knowledge. To give you a hyperthetical, if you went to purchase a new fridge for your vehicle and you wanted it to freeze as well. Would you still feel a little sorry for the young salesperson who told you it would freeze molten lead in 30seconds, I believe you may be a Tad upset a few weeks later when you found it didn't, with every right to be so.

When Dick smith first started he was partners with the owner of Jacar.
Not sure who owns either of them know. I have meet the original owner of Jacar a few times. Nice bloke, not sure what he knows about electronic's, but he is a good business man

I wouldn't waste my time walking through the door of our local DSE.

Rob

Uh-huh......?

The bad new folks is that it's your fault that your local DSE or Jaycar staff don't have a clue. Yep that's right.

Everyone wants products at rock bottom prices so the retail chains reduce their training to zero and hence expect 16 year olds to learn "on the job". Would you go into Coles and expect the guy putting out the vegies to be able to give you an explanation on the best cooking method of pumpkin with Estonian wines? Then why do you expect DSE members to know anything more than price, part number and where a product is?

I spent many years as a teenager and during my uni. days working for DSE and then completed a degree in electronics engineering and I now work in the field professionally. For a good proportion of the time I was at DSE I knew what I was talking about because I had external training, but the reality is most of the staff don't know and why should they?

1. The general public is stupid. I can clearly state this from many years of serving idiots who believe that they are going to get "professional" knowledge from a high street shop staffed by teenagers where they pay the minimum price. If you believe this you are a member of the great ignorant unwashed.

2. If you want professional advice then pay the money to get it from someone who knows what they are talking about, but you may pay more than DSE.

3. Jaycar is just the same they merely have a narrower range of products and they select staff who they believe have an external interest - no not professionals, normally idiots who think that car audio constitutes professional knowledge.

Andrew

You should have one by now?

Got it! Thank you very much sir. Now the fun associated with the dark side begins.

Or how much of your cash big ones can consume! :)

sorry I didnt make it