Camping with Dog - Tom Groggin etc

I forgot to add having the dog in the car is OK while going through a NP, you just can't let them out of the car, we have done this with ours and wait till we are out of the NP to let them STRETCH their legs, remember to carry little poo bags and have them on a leash too.

Tom Groggan campground is NP, so no dogs.

Baz.

Yeah, I agree, watch out for the tiger snake living under the front step of Pinnibar(Gibson) hut. We camped there with our 8 year old Boxer over new years. Its just outside the NP area, and still a close drive to Mt Pinnibar. Most times I have been to this area Wheelers Creek hut camp area is almost always occupied. Gibson hut is generally very quite.

It would be more the fault of deer hunters using dogs with the odd one getting lost or the odd person dumping an unwanted animal. I would say most dog owners are responible who take their dogs camping.

Leroy - non dog owner.

I agree with DIO. It doesn't matter how the dogs get loose - as soon as there's a male and female loose you have wild dog packs.

Problems in our society are never caused by majorities - you say most dog owners are responsible - I agree with that, and they don't create the problem.

It's the minority that causes the problem.

Another vote here for leaving the dish-lickers at home. I love dogs as much as the next bloke, but they can be a PITA in a camp environment......at least to the others in your group who may not want their gear sniffed/licked/pee'd-on/muddy paws inside their tent/camper etc etc. On top of this there is the chance the damn thing will yap all bloody night, chase the native fauna etc etc.

Sorry if I sound negative, but I have seen it 1st hand.......another EO member (who shall remain nameless, but may recognise this little story) it was actually........he brought his dish-licker along and he thought it was a great joke when the damn stupid thing pee'd on another blokes bag of spuds that he'd left on the ground outside his camper trailer. No apology, no kick in the @rse, nuffin!!! The owner of the spuds gave the bloke a word of advice about keeping the mut on a lead if he didn't want it's rear-most orrifice redesigned into the shape of a Blunnie!!!!

I'm sure Ivan doesn't want a lecture on the do's and don'ts of taking a dog camping, he just want's to know where he can camp with dogs in the area he's asked about.

Fair call Baz, but heh, if nobody makes their thoughts known about these types of issues, then dog owners go blythely ahead thinking that everybody shares their desire to be slobbered on etc.

I'm not attempting to lecture Ivan or anybody else. I'm quite happy for people to take their dish-lickers camping with them.........just not where I'm camped please.

If what I have said is seen as being along the lines of a lecture, then I offer my sincere apologies.

Cheers

Roachie

I agree with Leroy, my little fella has been everywherem turns 11 in June and has not gone Feral
members.westnet.com.au/dtilley/dusty1.htm

I fully see where everyone is coming from, but isn't one of the reasons some places say 'no dogs' so that the people who don't like dogs around camp can go to those places.... and I don't believe a 6 week old puppy should be put in a kennel, far to stressful for it.

It's amazing how people ignore things when pushing their particular barrow.

Doug's dog has been camping with him and hasn't gone feral. Well Golly Gosh - where did any of us say that happens. The discussion is about dogs that are left behind due to getting lost, running off, etc, and it's THOSE which have to go feral or die.

Kath is saying a 6 week old dog is too young to go to a kennel, but the dog in question here is 16 weeks old. That's a lifetime's difference in dog years.

I'm with Roachie - I love dogs, but detest those owners who allow them to remain untrained and hence become a pain to everyone else. I have the right to camp unmolested by someone else's pooch even in an area which allows dogs.

So the message to dog owners is - TRAIN them. They'll be happier dogs and won't spoil things for others.

This thread reminds me of that old phrase: "I'm not racist... but...."

I would rather people took their dogs & left their kids at home!

Gerhardp1
Hey big head did I say something that you don't agree with. well I'M sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry,sorry i upset your ego

All I did was read where someone mentioned the word Feral , all I ddi was say mines not gone feral yet ,,,,like you , P.I.T.A

Just what I'd expect from you Doughead.

Can't read or comprehend but can hurl insults. Go ask mummy for supper, there's a good kiddy. Maybe you'll feel better after some warm milk.

Gentlemen... please?

Gerhardp1: People who go to the trouble of taking a dog camping with them will usually go to considerable trouble to ensure their dog doesn't become lost - had I lost my Cav. in the bush it would have been like loosing one of my children and I _would not_ have left the area until I had found her.

Feral dogs are usually the result of deer/pig hunters loosing dogs or domestic dogs from country areas going feral and, of course, idiot people dumping dogs they don't want in the bush!

Those of us who care for dogs because we love them take great care of them.

Mike Harding

Tis OK Mike. he just got let out of Kindy,

How did you know?

But all is good, as I passed the kindy exam today and now I am more qualified than you. I passed reading and comprehension, something you still need work on.

Cheers

I have always taken a dog or dogs camping where permitted and will continue to do so. Love hunting pigs. This is a free country.
People should be more worried about feral cat problems than dog problems.

I think I'm doing my part in protecting the Australian bush and wildlife. Hunting feral animals.

Dogs make for a great security system in certain parts of Australia.
I say find a good camp and Take your Dog, he or she will enjoy it as much as you do.
Just be responsible for your dog. I'm sure a young pup is not going to rip down a beast or sheep.

My sister has a book called camping with dogs. I think its only for Queensland but I'm sure they have one for down ther as well.

Enjoy camping with your dog.

Rob

Good thing about this country is the freedom, we have a 6month old puppy and she now goes eveywhere with us, including camping. She will continue to come camping with us. If your dog is well trained ,they usually behave better than most children.

Crazie
Good one mate , well said

Also, dogs aren't responsible for dirty nappies thrown in the bush, or piles of toilet paper!

I agree shaker but they are responsible for those turds you stand on on the nature strips and in the parks. Oh no that's not the dogs fault but the owners! We have those doggy dodo bags near bins on the tracks and owners don't use them as much as they should.

Leroy

Leroy
What a nice subject we have on here today , LMAO. well I will add that i've trod on a couple in my time and both were not from Dogs , In fact if you pull into a rest area for a coffee you won't take long to find out your near one while haveing a sanga, Reast Area's and Parking Bays are not healthy place's to spend time at ,

Doug

Doug, I agree .... we all talk about all the exotic & often unnecessary equipment to take camping, but why do people seem to leave the basic thing at home, I'm referring to a SHOVEL!

The number of places where you just need to walk a few metres away from a camp site to find a plethora of 'bush daisies'!
Surely a shovel is the first thing to be included in any camping list, so there is absolutely no excuse for not digging a hole, & you can also dig an extra hole for the 'doggy do' & fill it in when you leave.
I stand by my previous comment, the dogs aren't to blame, it's their owners.

There is an old saying that is just as relevant to dogs as to us, "if you don't eat, you don't s**t .... if you don't s**t, you die!

Shaker

Gawd damn it man , your beginning to sound like my old Man '
"if you don't eat, you don't s**t .... if you don't s**t, you die!

He use to say that a lot to me once , Havn't heard him say it for a long time now........, He's pushing Daisies up , ...................{Sorry Dad }

Hey Guys

I don't think there is anything wrong taking a dog camping, so long as it's done so responsibly and not in a National Park.

Taking a dog on a camping trip with others is a different story, Our family just finished a 6 week 14000km trip 1/2 way around Oz, when we got to Mansfield we picked up a family friend and his dog.

This was all planed prior to leaving home, we had planed 3 weeks to get home, but were home in 2, the dog was no trouble to travel with , but servely restricted the rest of our trip.

This did cause a bit of friction between friends, we are all over it now, so if traveling with friends and taking a dog in my opinion it is not to be taken lightly.

Cheers Steve.

I'm a dog owner and would never consider taking him on any camping trip (nat park or not). I put it in the smoking category. Very unsocial.

A lot of people "own" dogs (is that possible?) but rather fewer fully relate to them.

Are they any more anti-social than:
Loud music?
Kids on mini-bikes?
Drunks & foul language?
Throwing stubbies & cans into fires?
& a lot more things that seem to have become part & parcel of camping in well known areas.

I have camped with people with dogs & people with kids, sorry, but overall I know which I prefer!

I agree with you Shaker and prefer people with kids also ;-) I would also go with a dog over all your listed antisocial behavior.

Leroy

I think people should just do what most of my neighbours do....go away for a few days and just leave your dogs at home to bark the whole time!
I love dogs but hate dog owners

What about Tom Groggan Hut on the other side of the river, i know it's looked after by the staff of Tom Groggan Station, but is it in the NP.

Baz.

To my knowledge the other side of river is part of The Alpine National Park VIC or private land part of Tom Groggin Station. Ring Parks VIC for a answer.

thats correct, the vic side of teh river, dogmans hut, is in the alpine nat park so no mc pooches.

Mike, I am the same as you with our Golden Retriever, we have, on the odd occasion had him in a NP.
I believe in the old saying, that there is "no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners".

So Mike what was so special about your dog, that you didn't have to adhere to the rules of National Parks?

Don't give me this crap about you dog not hurting the environment, how do you know that you dog didn't crap some where and leave a disease that could affect or kill native or endemic wildlife?

How do you Know your dog didn't leave ticks flees or other types of parasites in areas that could affect or kill native or endemic wildlife?

These rules were put in place to protect native flora, fauna and endemic species, they weren't put there to piss you off.

Until people understand this our native and endemic species are not safe for future generations.

Steve.

If they cause so many problems, why aren't the rules for everybody.
In many National & Desert Parks indigenous Australians have dogs, which more than likely do have "ticks flees (sic) or other types of parasites in areas that could affect or kill native or endemic wildlife?"

Standard hysterical response which imagines the bush is a clean, beautiful, unsullied place and everything there is just like Walt Disney portrays. Gawd...!

Mike Harding