90 or 130 degree camera?
Submitted: Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:01
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rolande
G'Day All,
Have decided to get a reversing camera for the back of the GU Patrol.
The best compromise seems to be the little "butterfly" cameras mounted to the door above the licence plate.
The options for these are 90 degree or 130 degree field of view.
Can anyone comment on which is most suitable?
The main reason is to help line up the caravan with the tow hitch, but of course SWMBO will use it to help her into those tight
parking spots.
Any thoughts appreciated
Regards
Rolande
Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:13
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:13
120 deg is fine.
I hook up my treg easily on my own.
Regards
Derek.
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Follow Up By: rolande- Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:18
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:18
G'Day Derek,
I really would like a screen I can mount to the hood lining above rear view mirror and fold down when required.
Do you have something suitable in your range?
Also, how
water proof, IP rating, etc, are the butterfly cameras
Regards
Rolande
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:39
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:39
These will be available soon.
Regards
Derek.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:13
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:13
The wider the angle, the better for a reversing camera. Go for the 130.
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Follow Up By: rolande- Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:20
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:20
G'Day Phil,
Thanks, was just a little worried that the wider angle would reduce clarity on the screen and make it difficult to see what is happening with the hitch,
Regards
Rolande
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:13
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:13
Rolande, clarity wont be a problem. For looking at a hitch, the angle will never be too wide. With the wider angle, everything is further away, so that you wont see a vehicle behind you on the open road until its right behind you, but for seeing a hitch, or avoiding the neighbours kids, its the way to go. I think
mine is 92 degrees, and I wouldnt want it any less.
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Reply By: hiab - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:39
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:39
no reflection on you rolande but the marketing gurus are saying we cant find our way so must have a gps, we cant be trusted to deflate our own tyres need a staun, we cant reverse our cars need a camera.. what next?, a machine to wipe our bums ?
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Follow Up By: rolande- Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:47
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:47
G'Day hiab,
Would be most appreciative if you could drop around next week and hook up the van with SWMBO directing. :)
Small price to pay for a peaceful and stress free household.
Plus, another gadget to add to my arsenal.
Thanks for the reply
Rolande
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Reply By: hiab - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:55
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 22:55
tell her to bugger off and do it yourself, it really is not too hard. tow ball in middle of car, tow hitch in middle of van, use mirrors keep equal distance each side and bobs your uncle. but i guess cred these days is judged by who has the most gadgets. as i said, no reflection on you personally. i am not a luddite or a techno phobe, i am using tech to answer, i just feel they are taking away the decision making of the driver with these things, and placing it on gadgets, which inevitably will fail.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:19
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:19
Hi Hiab,
I work in a Childrens Hospital, and would be very happy to never ever have to treat a child again who's been run over by a parent or neighbour reversing their vehicle. Happens way too often - often doesnt make the news because its so tragic.
They are pretty useful on most vehicles (2wd and 4wd) with poor rearward visibility.
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Reply By: hiab - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:24
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:24
fair comment. i just think whatever happened to common sense and looking to make sure, get everyone there to stand in front of the car where they can be seen.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike - Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:30
Tuesday, Apr 17, 2007 at 21:30
Do you have a Members Rig & Profile - by most of your comments it would make interesting reading
Mike
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Reply By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:43
Saturday, Apr 14, 2007 at 23:43
I have had one for a few years now and for all the above reasons would not do without one to the point that I carry a spare as
well.
The screen replaces the rearview mirror, the camera sits high at the rear of the vehicle....it is such a great asset, especially at shopping centre carparks.
Luv it...cheers Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Arkay (SA) - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 08:45
Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 08:45
Never had one, but I guess the outside low down cameras must get all dusted up from dirt roads, and are only applicable when on bitumen and you have recently wiped the lens. Would that be correct?
Come to think of it, I wonder if the beeping reversing thigos suffer from the same problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 10:21
Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 10:21
The only problem I've had is with rain.....the troopy sucks up the rear spray and it's hard to see and thats when the side mirrors come in on their own. But then when dries out a bit you get your vision back, sweet again.
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Follow Up By: samsgoneagain - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 21:23
Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 21:23
put rain ex on the lense
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:03
Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:03
Phillip,
Just a query, how do you get around the law that you have to be facing the rear of the car when reversing. Do you have a second screen at the rear or does the camera give you enough vision to not have to turn around?
R.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 22:37
Wednesday, Apr 18, 2007 at 22:37
Yes....it gives excellant vision all round....but I always make sure that no little kiddies are around by walking around first...and you dont have to turn around, by viewing the screen and the side mirrors as
well(I have stuck those little convex mirrors as
well) its such a breeze to reverse anywhere...even on those bush tracks where you meet oncoming traffic and you have to back up.
It works better at close range than long range...other cars and trucks are usually close to you by the time they appear on the screen but I live with it.
Worth the money....but
shop around and go to shows before you buy.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 11:27
Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 11:27
Rolande,
Just to give you some more ideas, have a look at the Brash Imports Site and you will see a Licence Plate Camera option as
well.
One thing to realise with the "butterfly" type camera you mention, or the "licence Plate" camera shown on the Brash Imports Site is that they do not have infrared capability like the rectangular style cameras.
Infrared capability is an added bonus at night for an enhanced view, allbeit in "black & white" rather than colour.
I have my rectangular camera mounted down low, just above bumper height, as I could route the power and video cable to the camera easily. The camera is also mounted over to one side and doesn't effect the viewing angle appreciably. The towing hitch appears just on the edge of the viewing screen and is onobtrusive yet still allowing effortless backing up to the trailer coupling.
No problem with view except in occasional rainy situation as Phillip has stated.
Only have had to get out and wipe the lens once so far.
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Reply By: Member - Warren R- Karratha WA - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 13:11
Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 13:11
G'day Rolande. I've got a trayback with canopy, so need the camera both as a reversing aid and general rear view when driving.
Mine is 150 degree which gives fantastic vision out wide when up close, but not so good for distance because everthing looks so small. If your usual rear view thru the mirror is good, I would suggest the 130 degree. The wide angle is also really good if you have little kids around because you can see much more up close. My camera is the little button type mounted under the tray above the towbar.
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Reply By: rolande- Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 13:45
Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 13:45
G'Day All,
Thanks for all the feedback.
I have seen several of the butterfly cameras fitted and prefer these as those cretins who have little else to do but destroy others effort won't notice it as much as one of the larger infra-red cameras.
I have seen pics of these cameras fitted to the small door, above the number plate and angled across to the tow hitch, which seemed a good compromise.
A 90 degree camera would provide a blind spot behind the passenger side so that is why I was asking about clarity with the wider view camera.
Also, there is lots of available extra lighting at the back so the infra-red capability won't really be that much benefit to me.
Looks like the 120 degree one will be the go, just need to find a screen I can mount to the roof above the rear view mirror inside the vehicle and I'll be set.
Later I will add a second camera to the rear of the van when towing
Regards
Rolande
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 15:16
Sunday, Apr 15, 2007 at 15:16
rolande; The one at the rear of the caravan will prove invaluable. We got a two camera deal from eBay, and set one up in the back of the Patrol but never used it. My old Rooster can back onto the AT35 hitch without my directions (and prefers to do it while I'm not there rather than try and follow my hand signals - so he says). With the Effie, we will get a rear camera in the tailgate for safety when backing.
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