OT - Anzac Day

Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 07:46
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Anzac day is one of those days where we all reflect, I have spent the morning not only packing to fly to Perth with the kids, but also, watching the dawn service from Sydney with Callum. He and I have had some discussions about it, what it means, and about his great grand fathers.

And so, on this Anzac day I will not see the march from Melbourne as I will be in the air, the first time ever I have missed one. My father will march in memory of his father as he does each year, I remember my Pop, Norm Atherton who served in WW2 in Africa and later in Japan. I remember how he told us stories of the war in hushed tones of remembrance of pain and terror, and I remember the raucous laughter of other happy memories he had of mates.

I remember how he marched each year, how as a child I was taken to the march along St Kilda road, how catching a glimpse of him marching there made me proud; how, he still marched well into his eighties, and finally after he lost his legs due to diabetes he was upset that he could no longer march, how we marched for him.

His photo hangs proudly on my wall, along with a poem he wrote when he was away at war and the replica of the medals he proudly wore each year.

I also remember my other grandfather George Love, who was a cadet soldier in the late 1800s, who signed up when WW1 broke out but never saw action due to a medical condition. How, due to ignorant minds back then he was considered a coward for not going by people who didn’t understand why, and how he hated Anzac day. He hated the futility of war and the heartache and I think deep down, he too felt a sense of shame that he couldn’t serve. How he developed a social concience and political views that were vocal. His photo too hangs proudly on my wall.

I remember too, all those men and women who lost their lives in all conflicts, and those who are serving this country now.

On this day, we do reflect on many things - how it may have been, how important our freedoms are, to be able to do the things we want to, travel to places we want to and to live in best country in the world.

Lest we forget.

!MPG:22!

Pic: My Pop Norm Atherton, last leave, 1940, my dad is the little boy in the middle, pic appeared in a newspaper at the time, but not sure what one. :(
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 07:52

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 07:52
you get up way to early for a public holiday Lyn lol .

I asked Dean yesterday if he knew what Anzac day was for. He went on to tell me more than I knew , even told me what the word Anzac stood for , quite a good education for me it was lol
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Follow Up By: Al & Mrs Al (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 07:54

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 07:54
I've got a plane to catch Eric,

glad Dean gave you an education, we all should know what it means, and if given the chance we all should go to the National War Memorial in Canberra.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:13

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:13
Sombre indeed is the memorial, travel safely Lyn
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:11

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:11
My thoughts exactly Lynda, its totally OT but Anzac Day means more to me now because I too have lost children, and I know the heartache and heartbreak.

Mans inhumanity to man must always be checked and balanced.
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Follow Up By: Member - vivien C (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 09:14

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 09:14
Lynda & Bonz,

This morning as I listened to the stories of Anzac Day and a beautiful poem read out by a man from New Guinea in stilted English, the sadness and futility of war overwhelmed me too. Along with it was the pride and the gratitude I felt to all those who had lost their lives and risked their lives in these wars.

Since losing someone that I loved late last year heartache and heartbreak are no longer just emotions that I think I understand. It makes me value life and living it fully even more. It also makes the waste of life in wars and other senseless tragedies even more difficult to comprehend.

Anzac Day is a day of reflection on the bravery, selflessness, resilience and honour of the men who fought and died as well as a day to hope that somehow we can learn from the lessons of the past.

I wish it was that simple.

Lynne, that was a beautiful piece of writing about your grandfathers and family.

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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 10:06

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 10:06
Nicely put Lyn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:02

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:02
THE FINAL INSPECTION

The Soldier stood and faced his God,

Which must always come to pass.

He hoped his shoes were shining,

Just as brightly as his brass.

"Step forward now, you Soldier,

How shall I deal with you?

Have you always turned the other cheek?

To My Church have you been true?"

The Soldier squared his shoulders and said,

"No, my Lord, I ain't.

Because those of us who carry guns,

Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,

And at times my talk was tough.

And sometimes I've been violent,

Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a dollar,

That wasn't mine to keep...

Though I worked a lot of overtime,

When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,

Though at times I shook with fear.

And sometimes, God, forgive me,

I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,

Among the people here.

They never wanted me around,

Except to calm their fears.

If you've a place for me here, Lord,

It needn't be so grand.

I never expected or had too much,

But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne,

Where the saints had often trod.

As the Soldier waited quietly,

For the judgment of his God.

"Step forward now, you Soldier,

You've borne your burdens well.

Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,

You've done your time in Hell."

~Author Unknown~

Lest we forget...

Grrr!!!

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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:57

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:57
Good one Crazy. The following is by one of my favourite poets, Rudyard Kipling and would have been written around 1900 - for those who may not know "Tommy Atkins" is the generic name given to foot soldiers in the British Army:

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Tommy

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o'beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,'' when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,'' when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy how's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 16:42

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 16:42
Maybe it's because of our Convict Streak
We wanna fight everyone we meet
Anzac Day is our day of the year
We march our march, we drink our beer

We don't like Slopes, we don't like Yanks
I'd personally like to blow up
every Commie tank
We're only few but we fought in 'Nam
Packed our guns alongside Uncle Sam
Ask any of us, it were no sin
The only crime was that we didn't win

(chorus)
And ... The Poms are weak as bleep
The French are queer
The Germans are wankers,
but they make good beer
Don't criticise what you don't understand
If you think I'm talking bleep
you don't belong in this land

I'm Australian, we all are
We watch the telly and we drive our car
But don't you ever SAY WE'RE WEAK
Or you'll learn all about our Convict Streak

The world began with Adam and Eve
But Australia started at Gallipolli
Our fathers put the Desert into Desert Rats
Their uncles slipped the boot in,
up in Lambing Flats
Don't criticise what you don't understand
It's not that we're behind the times,
we're in a different land
We might be slobs but WE'RE NOT WEAK
Maybe it's because of our Convict Streak

(chorus)

I'm Australian, so are you
It doesn't matter if you're Ding or Jew
Just remember, while you're here
You march our march and you drink our beer

Dave Warner
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 22:04

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007 at 22:04
*sigh* They shall never grow old as we grow old.
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Reply By: Smudger - Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:04

Thursday, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:04
My Dad was in New Gineau, but he wouldn't talk about it. I had anotherold Uncle who served in WWI, he used to dissapear to his private spot in the back yard for days at a time. I remember walking up to him one day and he was just sitting there crying. We were told when he was there, to leave him alone.
Sadly, many of them did grow old with legacies of their war experiences. I wrote this a few years back.

One Armed ANZACS
Greg Smith copyright © 7.2.2000

When these blokes came back from the 2nd World War, some of them must have only been 18 and 19 years old. I wasn’t born until a couple of years later, so by the time I was old enough to notice the youngest of them were in their late twenties. By now they’d had plenty of time to get used to their war legacies, hopping down the ramps at railway stations on a single crutch, or expertly counting out their change in the palm of their remaining hand with their middle finger. They were different, so being a kid you’d stare at them, imagining what was inside the half empty trouser leg that was pinned up above the knee. Or, wondering why they didn’t just have that jacket sleeve cut off, instead of pinning it up. I guess mum must have told us dozens of times, “Don’t stare, it’s not nice”. And I can’t remember anyone ever explaining to me how come there were so many men around with arms and legs missing. I just took them for granted, they were always there for as long as I could remember.

By the time I started work, the younger ones would have been in their mid-thirties. They were still around in numbers, mostly doing jobs like driving lifts in department stores, or ticket inspectors on trains. Lifts didn’t have buttons then, they had control handles and these blokes would spend their days, crutches propped in the corner, sitting on their wooden stools controlling the lever with their remaing hand, or the stump of their arm. For the ticket inspectors on the trains we’d have to hold our tickets out, while they slipped the ticket punch over the end to clip a ‘been used’ hole in it.

Then, while I wasn’t watching, they all just seemed to disappear. I didn’t even notice, not until years later. Then one ANZAC day we were listening to some of the old diggers telling their stories on ABC radio and I asked my wife if she could remember growing up with all the disabled diggers around. But, she’d grown up in a small country town and it kind of surprised me to realise that big populations of disabled diggers was mostly a City thing. And while I was telling her about them, it was as if the full picture suddenly dawned on me. I felt incredibly sad to think, that without me even noticing, those young blokes had limped through middle age and into old age, while I was having a great time growing up.

The youngest of those disabled diggers are still in their early seventies now. For what it’s worth mate, I remember you as a younger man. But, how do I say thanks to a bloke who missed out on so much for most of his life, so that I could have such a good life. I just hope that I was kind enough to you when I had the chance, and I wish I’d taken the time to talk to you.

Thanks Digger.

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Reply By: Auntie - Friday, Apr 27, 2007 at 23:17

Friday, Apr 27, 2007 at 23:17
If you've successfully read all those previous posts, thank a Primary School teacher.

And because they were written, and you were able to read them in English, thank a Soldier.
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