Shower Units
Submitted: Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 09:08
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Member - Brian H (QLD)
I considering picking one of these up in the next week or so. I have checked the history area and have read a few things about them. I'm not looking at a debut on each I was wondering from what I can see (hard to find one set up and see working) they all look the same and I figure the exchanger would not change greatly, I dare say the pump would be the only part which my vary to any great detail.
Question is ......... is there much difference between brands apart from price? I know what ever brand you have will be the best :) like tyres :) so why did you choose your unit. Was it contruction, easy to fit, warranty, price etc etc.
Mind you might be easier to just heat
water in bucket and use bilge pump :)
Thanks
Brian
Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 09:19
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 09:19
Which one are you considering Brian?
There are vehicle mounted ones.
There are portable gas fired units.
There are simple $30 units whose pump is connected to a cigarette lighter plug.
There are simple $30 units with a compartment to add 4 "D' size batteries.
The last one is the one I use. (Coleman)
Simple to heat the
water first and add to a bucket where the pump is submerged into. And the replacement cost is more acceptable.
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Follow Up By: Flight Sargent - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 10:11
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 10:11
The unit you choose will depend on how many you are catering for etc.....we have the coleman and it is a great little unit. Instant hot
water any time and does as many showers as you need. I would recommend it.
SARGE
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 10:52
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 10:52
I use one sold by Jaycar costing about $20.
Got about 5 years out of the first, second one has been fine for the last 3 years. We use it even for sea
water, and it survives that.
Plugs into the cigarette lighter, but I have made an extension lead so it can be operated some distance from the car.
Pressure can be controlled with a throttle on the shower head.
Has a filter in the pump, and the shower head can be dismantled easily to remove
debris.
As stated, boil the billy, add to a bucket with cold
water and you're away. The number of people it will serve limited only by the amount of
water you're prepared to boil!
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 13:32
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 13:32
Yeah should have mentioned that ........ I was looking at an under the bonnet model, like twine and piranha. As for number of people using it, mostly I travel alone in my vehicle. Just after something easy to set up and they seemed like a fair idea.
Mind you a pressure spray with hot
water in it will do the trick as
well.
Brian
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Follow Up By: Flight Sargent - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 14:26
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 14:26
Mate if you do most of the travelling with just one or two people I would just get a Jay car unit heat up some
water and your away. I need the coleman because three kids two one who is a teen girl and a wife who likes a hot shower and clean hair..
SARGE
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Reply By: madcow - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 11:27
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 11:27
have a look here www.mcs.net.au/~grungle/shower.html.
All these are a fixed unit under the bonnet. We used to own a $20 job and it worked fine as long as you could keep the hot
water up to it. For us that was a problem and we now have a Twine unit which gives us endless hot
water (but the motor has to be running). The exchanger is a copper unit with a shurflo Diaphragm pump. The pump seems to be the preffered unit for this type of application in either a Flojet or Shurflo brand for the Glind,Piranha, and probably more that I cannot think of. We can have our shower up and running in under 5 mins after stopping including setting up the shower tent as long as you have a
water supply.
At the end of the day they all have their advantages and disadvantages, it all comes down to what suits you
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Follow Up By: madcow - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 11:29
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 11:29
I should hav emetioned that depending on your vehicle it will differ as to how easy it would be to fit. I paid $320.00 for ours but that was 7 years ago
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Reply By: Member - colin M (NSW) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 13:20
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 13:20
We found the $10 plastic bag type worked
well for us when we were at
the beach and at Gunn Point in
Darwin
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Reply By: flappa - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 13:45
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 13:45
I must have tried just about all the shower options over the years. Canvas Bag, Solar Bag, Spray, Jaycar shower etc etc.
For QUALITY shower, I dont think you will find anything better then a vehicle mounted shower with either the flojet or shurflow pumps. I think my
vehicle shower probably works better then my house shower.
There are downsides though. Need the vehicle running, can chew through a LOT of
water quickly , cost, and mounting it.
The $20 Jaycar showers work OK for 1 or 2 people , but suck badly when trying to shower a family.
I haven't yet tried the Colemans (or Primus) , but plenty of good reports on the Colemans , and I'm thinking of buying one to act as the HW system for my CT
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:56
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:56
Agree with everything flappa has said, except the bit about chewing through a lot of
water quickly.....
We are a family of 5 (sometimes 6) and can all have a shower in as little as 20 litres. I guess 20 litres could be considered a lot in a desert setting.
The secret lies in having the
water bucket on the ground inside the shower tent with you as you shower. A lot of the
water will thus fall back into the bucket and when you're not actually using the hand-piece, it stays in the bucket, recirculating the
water. Only need to wet down for 30 seconds or so, then soap-up (with hand piece in bucket), then rinse off for 30 seconds or so. Too easy.
We use a Helton heat exchanger and Shurflo pump.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 09:32
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 09:32
Hey Roachie , I did say "Can".
We also recycle our
water. I have a large (approx 100l) plastic toolbox that I use in the bottom of our shower.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 09:33
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 09:33
And piccie of my Shower Mixer
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Reply By: Moose - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 14:01
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 14:01
G'day Brian
Can only comment on Glinds, as that is what I and a few mates have. All work
well. No hassles. Easy to instal (although this may depend on vehicle). Chosen on reputation and the deal I got at the time.
Had the bucket and small portable pump before and must say the underbonnet is much easier. I have the inlet permanently connected (rolls up and sits in front of battery) and just need to attach the shower hose to the outlet (which also has a section of permanently mounted hose for convenience).
Don't get sucked into buying the larger pump (if there's a choice). I have never even looked like sucking up
water from other than the bucket so the smaller pump would have sufficed (and could have saved a few dolaars).
Cheers from the Moose.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 15:09
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 15:09
Hi Brian,
I have had my Glind for 10 years and 3 trucks, it continues to shower whenever and whereever I feel like it. They work much quicker on a pertol car when the vehicle is first started but if you shower at the end of the day any vehicle will be hot enough to give great shower.
Why Glind?? it was the only one I had heard of back in those days. Pretty happy with choice though. You can see it before you buy it if you want to catch up next week as I will be home again then if you like. I will call you next week, regardless, as I want to talk about the upcoming SA trip.
Take it easy, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:55
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:55
Great will check it out when I see you ......... I am available most of next week so give me a call, I dare say we need to discuss the SA trip.
Thanks
Brian
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 15:16
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 15:16
I have an in car unit by Twine that I am very happy with. Powered by a Shuflow pump and it heats up the
water quickly, even though my vehicle is a diesel.
Jack
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:33
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:33
Yes, we have a twine also and it is fantastic when showering a group. heats 20 litre to shower temp in 7 minutes by recirculating the
water till temp is reached then shutting off the motor and just use the hot
water in the jerry. I have an extra mod that makes all incar units safe from scalding. If you are interested I will tell you all.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:58
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:58
Yes please Ian, I would like to know your idea...........
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:13
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 21:13
Well Roachie, it's like this. At the pump outlet put a tee fitting with on/off valves and connect one outlet to the heat exchanger as normal. The other outlet connect via a tee fitting to the return line from the heat exchanger to the shower head. When heating the
water in the jerry open the normal valve and close the bypass line. The
water heats as normal. When the
water is hot enough open the bypass valve and close the other one so the shower
water can not go through the heat exchanger anymore. Bingo, no more scalding. I used to have a pic to post but alas it's gone. I can redo one if you need it but will be away till Sunday night. It works really
well and very cheap to do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 22:11
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 22:11
Thanks Ian, I get the gist of that okay.....no need for piccs.
Another "job" to be done I spose.
Whilst were at it, I have an idea for heating the
water without the engine needing to be run for the whole time. This would probably only work at the end of the day, when the coolant is
well and truly hot.
If you were to install a Davies Craig in-line
water pump in the heater hose lines, you could operate the shower without motor running. The coolant would be circulated throughout the motor by the small pump, thus taking much longer to cool down to a point where the shower
water would not be hot enough.
Hope that makes sense too.
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Reply By: mattie - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:48
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:48
i have a glind unit and on the nissan it heats 20 litres of cold
water in 5mins to a hot shower temp, or u can shower as many people as u like if u keep the
water up to it running constantly. We heat the
water in a canoe tub to shower temp then turn car off and then just use
water as needed (as when the car is running when u stop the
water flow it boils the
water in the heat exchanger then when u turn the
water back on u get scolded, so while the car is running u have to keep the
water flow going so u need a reasonable supply of
water). If u preheat
water and then wet your self then soap up then rinse off u will comfortably shower 4 adults on 20 litres and enjoy the shower even in the cold of winter.
There is also a twine unit, it sounds like it is a similar unit but i do not know anyone personally that has one but i have owned a glind for 8yrs now and it has never given trouble.
MATTIE
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:41
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:41
Mattie. Are you interested in a simple fix for the
water scalding problem?
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Follow Up By: mattie - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:28
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:28
if there is something else other than puting the shower rose in a bucket to save the
water i am very interested Ian thankyou.
MATTIE
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Follow Up By: mattie - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:41
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:41
i just read the post above why not put a tap on the heat exchanger line from the motor as u do not need the heaters while showering (after preheating the
water) u can put atap on the other side as
well then if the exchanger was ever damaged the 2 taps are turned off an sealed the coolant system just don't have heaters.
MATTIE
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Follow Up By: mattie - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:46
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 23:46
i forgot say that the time i took to heat the
water was with the idle up button on other wise it would take longer i think, we had it in a rodeo and it did not heat
water as quickly(still plenty hot enough but took longer to preheat 20 litres)
MATTIE
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Friday, May 11, 2007 at 06:10
Friday, May 11, 2007 at 06:10
I just idle the 1HZ motor and it does the trick in 7 min but a smaller block of cast iron might need a little extra time.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:52
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 18:52
Brian,
I also have a Twine unit. I have changed the pump to one that will push a head of 20mt and also give a good flow rate.
This is good when the
water is in a
creek and you are on the bank and want to get as far away as possible form the
creek.
Because of the number of people that would have a shower on the trips that I run I have also set up a shower screen that is set up off the side of the vehicle.
I have had the shower running for over 2 hours at times. It does take a little time to set up, but in my case worth it.
If there is only one of two, a warm billy of
water would probably do, but if you want the shower, Twine is the way to go.
Why I went for Twine, it is made of copper, unlike other brands that are plastic, the copper would be easy to fix if required.
The problem with the gas ones is that they can be hard to get to the right temp, a gas bottle has to be carried and what happens when you run out of gas, back to the billy on the fire.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:43
Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 20:43
We chose a Twine for the same reason that the heat exchanger is silver soldered copper and better than the car cooling system for strength.
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