100 Series Diesel Cruiser
Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:25
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Member - Sam (NSW)
Have come across a reasonably priced second hand diesel cruiser. How
well do these handle a turbo being bolted onto them? I have heard that the standard 80 series did have some issues in regards to aftermarket turbos. Is this the case with the 100 series or are they more tolerant? Also, any other pros and cons on the 100 series diesel cruisers would be appreciated.
cheers,
Sam.
Reply By: Adrian - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 10:11
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 10:11
Sam,
I bought a 1998 100 series in May last year and like you have considered an aftermarket turbo - only because we are about to tow an off-road caravan weighing in at around 2000kg loaded. The non-turbo diesel is fine if we are not towing anything.
The current issue of Overlander has an article on the 100 series and, like many other commentators, observes that "while the naturally-aspirated diesel is a little down on power, it is a solid and reliable engine that is quite adequate unless you're looking to do some heavy towing." Further on it makes the comment that "the diesels are particularly reliable, but many were fitted with aftermarket turbochargers. If this is the case, keep an eye out for signs of overheating and/or head problems."
I'll be interested to see how the non-turbo handles the van when we go off-road. We are not in a hurry and may not need the extra power and torque. Otherwise we are delighted with the wagon which, at the time of buying, had done 130,000 kms - and quite a bit of off-road work.
Happy travelling!
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Reply By: Member - Rohan K - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:41
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:41
Sam, interestingly enough, this morning I was reading a back issue of 4WD Monthly (Jan 2002) in which they ran a story on fitting an aftermarket (DTS) turbo to an "old" (320,000 kms) series 80 1HZ motor. It was fitted by a
well known diesel "
shop" in Berrima NSW. The cost was $3,500 with a caveat that you may need to spend another $700 for a pre-turbo check-up and tune. All-in-all it seemed very successful.Be good, or be quick.
Rohan (
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Reply By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:00
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:00
I fitted a DTS turbo to my 80 Series after it had done 240k klms It has now done 320k klms best money I have ever spent. TJM sell them up here for $2495 plus $500 fit and dyno tune.
Mine puts out 85 kws at the
wheels compared to 63 standard. Cheers RobCairns Offroad Training & Tours
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Reply By: Member - Alpaca (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:18
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:18
A mate of
mine had an after market turbo fitted to his new 100series and only one brand would carry the new vehicle warranty. Might pay to check with the turbo agent or the dealer if your truck still carries warranty.
I thought I read that fitting an aftermarket turbo could put more strain etc on the bottom end and shorten it's life.
Mine's normally aspirated and comparing to my previous factory fitted turbo 60 series it's a slug but I'll get used to it.
cya
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Reply By: colin - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:31
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:31
hi all, if you have a N/A diesal and looking for more power ie tourqe seriously look at fitting a super charger i fitted one to my 92 4.2 diesal after driving simialer turbo diesals. The turbo has nothing on what a S/C can offer and this can only be found by driving this set up. Try driving a turbo at 800revs in 5th gear put the boot in you will get nothing try the same with a S/C really amasing the tourge just pulls you away. My S/C puts out 8psi at idle, a normal turbo doesnt get taht till 1800- 2000 revs. this set up is the best for towing and ease of control when of road, i have foud i can go a higher gear and have lower revs ie 1000 to 1200 revs gives me real control with power to burn you have to drive it to know what i am saying. Unbeleivable on the nissan 4.2 diesal and feel on the more advanced ohc tojo would be the bees knees. In the future i feel S/C will be the go on fac tory fit over turbos Col
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Reply By: colin - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:32
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:32
hi all, if you have a N/A diesal and looking for more power ie tourqe seriously look at fitting a super charger i fitted one to my 92 4.2 diesal after driving simialer turbo diesals. The turbo has nothing on what a S/C can offer and this can only be found by driving this set up. Try driving a turbo at 800revs in 5th gear put the boot in you will get nothing try the same with a S/C really amasing the tourge just pulls you away. My S/C puts out 8psi at idle, a normal turbo doesnt get taht till 1800- 2000 revs. this set up is the best for towing and ease of control when of road, i have foud i can go a higher gear and have lower revs ie 1000 to 1200 revs gives me real control with power to burn you have to drive it to know what i am saying. Unbeleivable on the nissan 4.2 diesal and feel on the more advanced ohc tojo would be the bees knees. In the future i feel S/C will be the go on fac tory fit over turbos Col
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Reply By: colin - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:32
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:32
hi all, if you have a N/A diesal and looking for more power ie tourqe seriously look at fitting a super charger i fitted one to my 92 4.2 diesal after driving simialer turbo diesals. The turbo has nothing on what a S/C can offer and this can only be found by driving this set up. Try driving a turbo at 800revs in 5th gear put the boot in you will get nothing try the same with a S/C really amasing the tourge just pulls you away. My S/C puts out 8psi at idle, a normal turbo doesnt get taht till 1800- 2000 revs. this set up is the best for towing and ease of control when of road, i have foud i can go a higher gear and have lower revs ie 1000 to 1200 revs gives me real control with power to burn you have to drive it to know what i am saying. Unbeleivable on the nissan 4.2 diesal and feel on the more advanced ohc tojo would be the bees knees. In the future i feel S/C will be the go on fac tory fit over turbos Col
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Follow Up By: Dozer - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:39
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:39
Mmm
guy i know has put 2 harmonic balancers into the radiator with his supercharger setup.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: colin - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 21:53
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 21:53
hi dozer, curious how your mate had his set up, cruser, patrol, diesal petrol, full blowin racing or what, i have have done ??????? 30,0000ks with
mine and have had no probs, but do tread easy when crossing rivers as the fan is closer to the radiator. the mob that fitted my S/C has a GQ and races it at land cruiser
park full noise and has had no probs. I have read mags stating the same prob as what your saying about your mate had and all the feed back is it only happens to the cruiser, so may be the tojo is not suited to fitting a S/C, any feed back Col
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Follow Up By: limo4b - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 18:12
Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 18:12
Hi Col
It was a daily driver 80 series 1hz with whipple. 2 balancers and then the key fell into the timing gears and stuffed the motor. RIP
Andrew
ps good to hear it works
well on the Nissan.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rohan K - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 17:31
Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 17:31
Hi Collin. I prefer SCs to TCs. As it so happens, I have a 4-71 GMC roots-type blower for sale (suit small-block Chev or Ford), but it appears from several stories I've read recently that they have become extremely exy. One story indicated a CAPA blower cost $9,500 fitted to a fourbie, compared to the average of $3,000 to $3,500 for a turbo. I reckon a $6,000 saving has to be worth putting up with a little lag and heat.
If you don't mind me asking, what "readies" did you cough-up for the blower?Be good, or be quick.
Rohan (
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Reply By: Dozer - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:50
Tuesday, Apr 29, 2003 at 20:50
Hi
I wouldnt hesitate to turbo a new 100 diesel, but pay the extra for the best setup.
Well worth the effortless torque they put out and you will actually get better economy towing than naturally aspirated. The early factory turbo 80 cruisers had bearing problems whereas the 1hz never did either turboed or not.If you were after towing power, i would steer you to a 98 factory turbo multivalve 80 series 40th annaversary unit.
People have problems with turboes when they try to extract too much power from them, making too much heat for the motor.
Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Chris (W.A.) - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2003 at 04:18
Wednesday, Apr 30, 2003 at 04:18
'F' knows,
I've had two 100 series owners tell me that they'd prefer the good ol 80 series for reliablitiy etc etc etcLove the bush.
Chris
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Reply By: Dozer - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 18:07
Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 18:07
Mate the factory turbo diesel (1hdft) in the late 80 series not only pulled like a train,(more torque than a petrol powered 80) but got better economy (10 km/l) and almost as much power as the newer electronic controlled factory turbo 100 series you see for 77k now Add an intercooler from APS and it gives out 850mn of torque.
Andrew
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