Coupling Security

Submitted: Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 08:52
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Have just fitted a 3.500kg Hyland Coupling to my 20 foot tandem on road based on forum info and other recomendations, very happy after short trial.
I am wanting to also fit a device to prevent the coupling/van coming away from the vehicle if say the ball came loose, do not want to rely on chains. Am using a hayman reece hitch, is there an over the counter bolt on device available.
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 09:43

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 09:43
Not sure where you live but if you try someone like CAMEC they might be able to help you as they specialise in spares and assessories for caravans, motorhomes etc. I know they are in Sydney and Perth and you can order online from them.

I think their website is www.camec.com.au

Hope this helps.

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Reply By: Bobjg - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 09:45

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 09:45
Thanks Karl, will investigate and advise outcome.
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 11:02

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 11:02
You state that you don't want to rely on chains. You do understand that you are required by law to have chains fitted (in accordance with any State Laws and/or relevant ADR) and they must be correctly and securely connected - to prevent the towed vehicle from (a) breaking free from the tow vehicle in the event the coupling dis-engaged (b) to prevent the front of the 'A' frame from contacting the road surface in the event of the above (a) occurring.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 22:39

Monday, Jun 11, 2007 at 22:39
We relied on chains and they worked when they were needed. I haven't seen anything additional on any trailers.
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Follow Up By: Bobjg - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 08:11

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 08:11
Thanks DIO and Motherhen, appreciate your points and legal requirements for chains and would not remove mine.
Perhaps some Background info will assist to beter understand my thoughts/concerns.
I am casually involved in from a legal/insurance position in a nasty accident involving four wheel drive which was pulling 3.500kg caravan.The coupling came away from the ball for reasons that remain unclear- propositions seem to suggest it may be driver error or weight factor over the ball, some have argued it was a fault with the coupling itself. I do not have a view on cause rather must wait tll facts are to hand. I do know the ball stayed on the hitch and I understand that the chains ultimately sheered at the shackles.
I am told that when the trailer coupling came away from the ball it then fell onto crossover chains got the sways up and it flipped, the chains being the only link to the vehicle then apparently gave the four wheel drive a jolt and it rolled many times.
Given that case I wondered if there was a secondary safety device that could prevent the coupling and ball parting from the hitch.
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Reply By: G.T. - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 12:53

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 12:53
My understanding- may be wrong here - is that all trailers/ caravans etc over the weight of 2000kg have to have a system that applies the brakes of the towed trailer etc automatically if the situation you have described happens. Check with your local transport authority they will put you on the right track. Regards G.T.
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Follow Up By: Bobjg - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 14:54

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 14:54
Thanks GT
You are correct .
I understand the brakes did actuate when the caravan became free of the Hitch [The safety cable pulled out which effectively engages the caravan brakes]. The vehicle was travelling at 100kph at the time so the brakes would take some time to kick in course. I can't attach the images of the accident scene [for legal/privacy reasons] but pending receipt of factual report the images do encourage adoption of additional risk management strategies such as my enquiry.
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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 15:49

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 15:49
Was it a Highland hitch that was involved? If not why bring that hitch into doubt? From what you said the hitch came off the ball, how many other incidents have you heard of? Was the caravan properly put onto the ball? Are you asking how to stop the ball coming loose? Check, check and check again, walk around the van before moving off, do it again every time you stop, buy a quality spanner big enough to tighten the ball correctly, buy the right size and rating of ball, grease the coupling as required. Also buy rated D shackles for the safety chains, make sure the chains are as short as possible without limiting turning. AFIK there is a locking device that fits under and over the coupling but it is not supposed to be used when in motion, only stopped and it is too narrow for the Highland anyway.
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Follow Up By: Bobjg - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 16:16

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 16:16
Mikee5
Thanks for advice, I am becoming more conscious to do what you suggest, check check again.
Please note that the accident I referred to was nothing directly to do with me or my Van.
Importantly I am entirely happy with the Hyland Hitch, in fact the very reason I had it fitted in lieu of the standard fitment was after I became aware of the accident I related in the mail, I felt that the vehicle rollover could have been avoided if a 360 degree swivel coupling had been fitted.

I did not intend to develop any negative views on Hyland as my limited experience direct with Hyland has been fantastic, I was very impressed with customer service .
From feedback I gather there is only a device that is to be used as you relayed in a static position.
Thanks again for feedback I have not utilised the forum before and it is proving a beneficial to learn from those "more experienced".
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:02

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:02
Hi Bobjg

Just from my limited experience -

Our AT35 is a full swivel type - so as to not take the tow vehicle over should the caravan roll, and i would not be without this. We also do not use a ball hitch because of lack of articulation on steep dips and crests. Chains need to be high tensile and of sufficient strength to do their job according to the weight of the laden van.

We had the tow hitch break away from the tow vehicle when travelling at normal highway speed (90 - 100 kms/hr). The breakaway brakes did not engage as the cable broke. The crossed chains did drag on the road, and did not hold the a-frame up as per regulations, but if they were short enough to hold the a-frame up off the road, they would not have given us sufficient turning circle. The links that dragged under the a-frame got worn, but not enough to break. We were lucky that we were on a slight upward slope, so the caravan could not come forward into the tow vehicle without the emergency braking.

We once had friends visit with a farm trailer, and when his wife got out to open our gate, she discovered the trailer missing. The ball had snapped off, and the trailer was some way back, firmly wedged between two trees. Apparently no safety chains! No other harm done than the man's pride for not having noticed his load went missing.

In the incident you outlined, the chains shouldn't have snapped; maybe insufficient for the job, or links worn. Should the whole tow bar assembly break away from the tow vehicle (i have read of this happening once), then all the chains in the world would not help - unless otherwise hitched to the vehicle somewhere else. All overkill, and Murphy's law would ensure that something quite different would go wrong if anything did.

With chains and breakaway brakes as per the legal requirements, have faith that you will not have such a freak accident - more likely you will be struck down by lightening.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barry (NT) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:17

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:17
Not doubting what is stated above,,,,

BUT please realise breakaway brakes should work if the brake cable is sheared off / disconnected etc for any reason,, THAT is the purpose of breakaway brakes, ie AFTER separation from the towed vehicle the brakes are automatically applied no matter what you do with the towed vehicle.

So there could have been a fault in the system and the problem was not likely therefore to be the cable breaking in this instance.

Also high tensile chains are generally severely weakened when welded by many welders, so may not be the best application welded to an A frame,,, just use mild steel (good quality branded chain) of sufficient strength,,, and rule of thumb (not scientifically supported) add 25% safety margin.

Cheers Barry
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:26

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:26
Hi Barry, in our case, the breakaway cable should have pulled out a pin to trigger the emergency brakes but it was not in A1 condition and snapped without pulling the pin. In the circumstances, it made no difference and we stopped safely.
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Follow Up By: Bobjg - Wednesday, Jun 13, 2007 at 08:00

Wednesday, Jun 13, 2007 at 08:00
Thanks Motherhen & Barry.
Again feedback is both interesting and informative.
I have certainly picked up a couple of good points from all respondents. I may have given some readers the idea that I am overly paranoid about the potential for things to go wrong. My desire to employ all [reasonable] safety aids has evolved from what I get to see in my occupation which is usually after things have gone pear shaped.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barry (NT) - Wednesday, Jun 13, 2007 at 22:26

Wednesday, Jun 13, 2007 at 22:26
Bob I don't think you are paranoid to want to be safe on the road,,, not just for you but all of us as well. Good on ya I say Baz
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