Tag-a-long tours
Submitted: Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 21:57
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chardthechippy
I am wondering if they are worth the money to follow someone thru the bush when you can do that sort of stuff on your own or with your own convoy.
You pay for your fuel, food, drinks, accomodation and any repairs when finished so was wondering where the $150 a day goes. It can get quite expensive.
Thats not to say I am not keen on going on one as I like meeting new travellers.
Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:04
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:04
"You pay for your fuel, food, drinks, accomodation and any repairs when finished so was wondering where the $150 a day goes"
Hmmm .... went on one and the $$$s included food, entry and
camping fees etc. Paid for your own fuel and drinks. Seemed quite reasonable to me.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 23:42
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 23:42
Hey Al,
What'd you think of the Wallabies on Saturday night?
I was bloody impressed by the big pile of ticker they found. Now all we need do is mention to the ARU John Eales has actually retired and we might get someone buried up to their arse in the ugly bits winning some pill!
Next step, slap the ARU board around the ears and point out we don't need anymore league comic readers and Bill Ellis could make his third trip here!
Ahh, I'm an optimist,
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 07:01
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 07:01
Hi Geoff,
I was very impressed with their defensive effort. Their attack worries me though. Against SA, with very little ball, I could understand but against Wales and Fiji they were pretty boring and unimaginative.
Given what happened to the A team in NZ, I think we could do with quite a few league comic readers because the standard coming through our own ranks is pretty low. As usual, the trick is selecting the right ones :))))
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:18
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:18
Al,
As I see it talking to mates that are still in the game, a lot of the
young guys with talent are looking overseas.
The reason is they at the moment can't see a development program from within, all they see is a cheque book program looking out.
That may be why there appears to be a shortage of up and coming talent.
I know it's recycling but I was pleased to see John O'Neill re-appointed as head of the ARU, a level head and a man who looked inward and downward for talent first.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - David L (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:37
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 11:37
Geoff,
Im with you on that mate, I think John O'Neill will sort things out (again) and whilst the odd mungo with the right talent may be of assistance we need to
foster and develop our own talent coming through the ranks. They should also boost the effort to expose the game to more juniors.
Saturday night was promising though.
Dave
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:14
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:14
Well never having been on one but I dare say you would get knowledge, experence and support if you are unsure on what you are doing. I guess they would advise on vehicle and personal preperations IE
what to take and what not to take. I dare say you would also get into some
places most others would not get to see and they would organise any permits if needed. Fuel drops if needed.
I'm not sure I would go on one simply when I trip now if I decide i'm to tired I just stop, this I dare say would be a little hard as you generally need to be somewhere by days end.
No offence intended to any tour operator just my guess is all.
My 2 cents worth.
Brian
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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:23
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:23
Beadell tours offer a 20 self catered, full Gunbarrel hwy tag a long tour for $3000.
Looking at the criteria to do it on you own, I am seriously considering this option.
$150 a day isn't that much for an experienced guide , I charge $220 per day for an experienced guide.
A Tag a long tour wouldn't be my fist choice but if I could do the Gunbarrel with out a hassle
well we will see.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: chardthechippy - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:36
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 22:36
Do you charge that much for each vehicle?
For six cars (Im guessing) thats not a bad days work!!!
I suppose there is "living away from home allowance";-))
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Follow Up By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 23:04
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 23:04
Office, office equipment, phones, paper work, vehicle, experienced guide, permits, public liability insurance, vehicle insurance, running costs, etc.
$150 per vehicle with x amount of pax, pretty dam cheep I think.
Cheers Steve
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Follow Up By: chardthechippy - Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 23:31
Monday, Jun 18, 2007 at 23:31
I am just a bit green with envy mate.
Self employed too but my office is a stinking hot or soaking wet concrete slab!!!
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Reply By: ozwasp - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 00:46
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 00:46
I just look at the tour company iternaries for ideas... They usually go to the best spots... Just get there in the morning before them so you have some piece!!!
Cheers, Will.
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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 00:53
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 00:53
some PEACE & QUIET!!!
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:01
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:01
I've used tour companies for the odd trip I was unwilling to do by myself or with the 4wd club. Best one I did was the
Madigan Line with AussieTracks in 2004. And I also organise a lot of trips every year, but would never do that commercially - why ruin a good hobby?
I don't baulk at the cost, because I wouldn't do their job for that sort of money.
After you take out their own vehicle expenses, and business costs, and work out their hourly rate, I figure they are doing it for the love of it. And they supplied the expertise, had a full RFDS medical kit, and had the sat phone for emergency contact. And as it turned out, they plugged all the punctures.
Like Steve, I've also been looking at Beadell tours - take you somewhere
well off the beaten track, with a fair bit of expertise.
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Follow Up By: chardthechippy - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:52
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 22:52
Cheers Phil,
Sounds like the money invested will get me good value, didnt think about HF or RFDS. Maybe start with something like the
border track or in the Flinders.
How do kids normally like the travelling? Do many kids go on these?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 23:09
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 23:09
"How do kids normally like the travelling?"
Hehehe My kids are in their 20's and I'm developing into an old fart:-))
But to generalise,
- preschool kids will go away anywhere, but can get whingy in the car
- school aged kids can be fun, but generally are suited to shorter trips
- teenagers never go with you unless they can bring a friend
- 15+ won't sacrifice the money from their part-time jobs to go away with their parents
And things have changed since when our kids would amuse themselves in the back of the troopie. Got all these DVDs and Ipods so they no longer need to look out the window and play "I spy".........
"Do many kids go on these?"
From what I've seen of tagalong desert trips, I'd say no.
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Reply By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:02
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:02
I think they offer a viable alternative for those just getting into the touring thing and also for those who would like the comfort and support of travelling with a tour group.
We started touring this way and whilst we travel on our own these days I would never rule out doing it again sometime.
Wayne from Great Divide tours is a regular here and you wouldn't find a more helpful person or touring companion.
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 14:43
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 14:43
I have actually done one of the trips with Wayne as a guide (
Vic High Country) over the 2000/2001 new year.
It was
well worth the expense and it was a trip the SWMBO and I will remember as it was our honeymoon :)
cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:18
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:18
Hi Kev
We did a
Vic High Country trip in July 2001 I think it was with Wayne......great crew and lots of fun.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:32
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:32
It was a very enjoyable trip, the few kids that were there found out we were on our honeymoon and put up signs around our tent saying "Honeymoon Suite"
No one ever commented about me complaining of lack of sleep though :)
Kev
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:29
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:29
If you really get down to dollars and cents then yes they can be expensive BUT you get support and expertise. Also, you may get the advantage of access onto private property and heaps of local knowledge that can make a trip interesting. I was on a trip a few years ago where the guide new all about the local flora and fauna, history and up to date facts about farming in a remote area and arranged evening meals with the land owners. That trip in a remote area was the easiest way for me to have back-up support in a remote area and make personal contact with the locals in the limited time that I had available. If you are involved with running a small business you will also know that the operators fees are probably very reasonable. Built in to daily costs are their own holidays, sick leave, liability insurance, vehicle costs, salary etc etc. If you are interested in going on one of these trips then ask the operator if you could contact some one who has been on a previous trip with them.
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Reply By: Montemoo - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 14:13
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 14:13
Hi
Hubby and I have only 6 weeks to wait until we head off to
Eighty Mile beach to start our first ever tag-along tour. We're doing the red centre with Tag-Along Tours
Broome. It's $3036 for the 2 of us for 23 nights, that includes all caravan park/
camping and/or motel fees, entry fees, permits and all activities except a helicopter flight over Uluru. They even provide a BBQ type dinner on several occassions and also provide a shower and
toilet at our
camp sites. So we only have to pay for fuel and food.
We have wanted to do a desert tour for ages but we are travelling oz on our own and didn't want to do the deserts alone, so this was the best option for us. Also the guides have been doing this for about 30 years so their knowledge of the area alone is worth the money. If we enjoy it this time we will definitely be booking the
Kimberley tour with them for June 2008....will let you all know how it goes
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Reply By: fujimiester - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:44
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 16:44
Why not join a reputable 4wd club? they usually run tours through the year. i.e. Toyota Lancrusier Club or similar
fujimiester
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Reply By: Orion - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 17:53
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 17:53
We did a tag a long tour recently and really enjoyed it, we have already booked another one for later in the year.
Agreed they are not cheap, but it gives you some security and takes you to a few
places that you would have not otherwise known about.
My wife is not willing to travel by ourselves, so we do not have a choice.
We are in a club, however they mainly do local trips and one big trip a year.
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 21:47
Tuesday, Jun 19, 2007 at 21:47
Chard many tag alongs are excellent particually for novices to touring. You get taken to all the best spots, many unavailable to the average Joe without the worry of planning, navigating, applying for permits, finding a decent
campsite or looking for others to travel with in remote areas. You may need to pay $150 a day but that can save you buying or hiring a sat phone or
HF radio & includes their mechanical expertise & 4 wheel drive guidence. Before the trip they let you know exactly what's required & may even do a mechanical check on your car ensuring you're ready to go. They do much of the work making the trip more of a holiday particually when fully catered.
Several years ago I wittnessed a tagalong group coming into
Birdsville late towing 2 near new Pajero's, one with gearbox failure & one with fuel issues. If they weren't with a group or a tour company the recovery cost from
the desert would have been as much as paying for a guide anyway. It's this security that makes them value for money.
On my 1st few central Oz trips I drove past 1/2 of the attractions because I simply didn't know they were there. For this reason I suggest to individuals to tag a long for the first couple of trips to learn the ropes before doing it on your own. 4x4 clubs are another great way to pick up experience as
well.
Cheers Craig...............
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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 03:37
Wednesday, Jun 20, 2007 at 03:37
We did a tag-along on the CSR a couple of years ago, we were lucky in that the guides who we went with new the CSR like the back of their hands, they have written books on it. The track became quite wet when we were up there (the top half anyway, rained and rained and rained) our guides knew the tracks to take so that we didn't all get bogged like 15 other vehicles did at the time. Had a lovely time, we are still friends with the others and other trips have been arranged since then. The CSR was the main one that we needed company and we felt that a tag-along was the go. I think from memory it cost about $1700, they helped with any mechanics that was required on the track, advised what would be needed to take on the trip, gave us so much information about the Canning and we saw
places that some others wouldn't have known were there. A wonderful trip.
I guess one of the downfalls of a tag-along could be what the other people were like, it is a bit of a risk as three weeks with someone that you have a personalty clash with could be a problem considering you don't meet until you leave. Must admit it crossed our minds a lot before we met.
Cheers
D
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