Helping with rescue teams.

Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:32
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The changing climate has increased the chances of us getting trapped in unseasonal floods. In this situation aircraft are used to spot vehicles. We should be prepared to help the spotter in the aircraft by indicating our status. In rally cars we carry signs with " OK " and another with a red + , these signs are held up after a brake down. Should we as a group have a code for 4x4's. In a flood the roof is often the only part visible so we can paint with mud on the roof "OK" if we are or "FOOD" if we are hungry or draw a spanner if we have a mechanical problem, If we had some red clothing we could cut it to make a red cross if we have a medical problem. Is there any standards used by other groups we could use? Eric.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:54

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 09:54
Good idea Eric.

I recently purchased some high visability bright red material from spotlight to make several sand flags and winch rope blankets. The bright red material is the same as is used to make life jackets and is hard wearing rip-stop. It's not very expensive.

It would be great if we could get rescue service helicopters to get a radio that covers the UHF frequencies that are commonly used by 4wd people. I have checked with my local rescue helicopter and was suprised to find that they do NOT have a radio that can access the prs uhf channels ! Another idea is to convince GME that epirbs should have a small low power vhf built in for short distance ground to air coms.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 10:44

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 10:44
There is no need to reinvent the wheel as such.....Trained personnel will recognise the Ground to Air Emergency Code which can be found here:

- Site Link

As well as these signals there are three other symbols useful to know when dealing with "civil emergencies"....floods etc

FF - Require Fodder
III - Require Evacuation
VI - Power Failure

Whilst it might seem a good idea to have different symbols, you must realise that they may not be interpreted correctly as they are not part of any standard observer training.

BTW coulour is not recognised as part of the code.....black on light surface is preferred, however it may just come down to what you have at the time.

KISS principle in action.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 10:52

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 10:52
As an addition, go to a boat shop and buy a V sheet...... cheap assistance at around $5-6 and will indicate to any aircraft etc "require assistance". Just don't use it as a shade tent during a hot day (as has happened in the past). :-)

Andrew
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Follow Up By: John R (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 14:00

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 14:00
I agree with Andrew. As an aviator who has participated in searches before, the V sheet is a universally recognised signalling device.
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Follow Up By: John R (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 14:07

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 14:07
Oops, I forgot. Stick with the recognised symbols, but if all else fails a plainly written message might work.

One I've seen that didn't work was painted on the roof of a house near Parafield Airport. It simply said "PLANES F*#K OFF !!"

I used to laugh every time I flew over it. :-)
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Follow Up By: Eric Experience - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 21:35

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 21:35
Andrew.
Thanks for the link. What I was looking for is away of sorting out who is ok and who needs help in a group of vehicles, your code is not intuitive or very informative, therefore it is unlikely to remembered by the average camper, not all people in aircraft are trained, in Aus its just as likely a local grazier with his wife as spotter. Most people can remember something if it is logical and or has a ditty to remember it by, may be I should offer a new 4x4 to the person who comes up with a system that is logical and easy to understand and remember. Eric.
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Follow Up By: John R (NSW) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 04:23

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 04:23
Gidday Eric,

All pilots are required to be aware of international distress/rescue signals for use on the ground, regardless of category of pilots licence. So your average local grazier going for a spin in his Cessna 182 should know what the standard signals (which Andrew alluded to) mean.

Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 08:32

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 08:32
Andrew - this link doesn't work - but here is the content. You can get there from this page - natsar.amsa.gov.au/SAR%5FIssues/

Ground to Air Emergency Code
You get into trouble in the middle of nowhere, set off your distress beacon and wait for the aircraft to arrive. What then? There is a set of internationally recognised distress signals known as the Ground-Air Visual Signal Code that can be used to convey simple messages to an overflying search aircraft where there is no other means of communication. However, there has been some confusion lately as to which signals are correct. The confusion has come about since some of the signals were either changed or withdrawn in 1986, the most significant being the changing of the X signal to mean ‘require medical assistance’. The authoritative publication in Australia on this issue is the National Search and Rescue Manual and the relevant table is shown below.

Table 1: Ground - air visual signal code for use by survivors
Message -------------------Code Symbol
Require Assistance --------V
Require Medical Assistance X
Proceeding in this Direction ==>
Yes or Affirmative ----------Y
No or Negative -------------- N
Note: If in doubt use International symbol - SOS

Basically, these symbols can be made on the ground by using rocks or other material or using ready-made V-Sheets etc. You must ensure that the symbols are large enough to be seen by an aircraft flying overhead. The pilot will respond if the signal is understood by rocking the aircraft’s wings during daylight or flashing the aircraft’s landing lights or navigation lights ON and OFF.

These signals are worthwhile remembering to indicate to a search aircraft that your party is in distress or, if the search aircraft cannot land close by, giving the pilot more information about the situation for relaying to a ground party or more suitable rescue aircraft that is making its way towards you.

August 2003
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Follow Up By: Eric Experience - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:18

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:18
Andrew and Mike.
Thanks for the reply, I still feel that the code won't be remembered by motorists because it is not logical. A "V" could indicate that the kids are low on Tintams or someone has been swept away in the flood, as pilots you want more detail for the rescue team, as to the Y and N what is the question? Painting the REG no of the vehicle on the roof may be of value to the relatives. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:34

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 10:34
Eric,

As a Search and Rescue Instructor (broad terms used), i can tell you that it doesn't matter what the issue is when you signal for assistance......all emergencies are treated as urgent.

Registration numbers on vehicles are of little assistance when an emergency situation is present (due to the signalling of distress etc) and the rescue will be acted upon accordingy. As a rescuer, i am not concerned with names, vehicle details in the rescue phase, as it does not directly assist the rescue process. Once rescued, it can be established if it is the missing/lost/injured person we are looking for. A vehicle with a "V" on top is a vehicle requesting assistance. Search and Rescue aircraft may drop communication/medical/food equipment to the stranded vehicle which will assist further.

As to not being intuitive etc, the symbols are internationally recognised, theoretically meaning those tourists lost in the outback should be able to communicate (albeit on a limited scope) with search/rescue aircraft/personnel. Rather than try to change/adopt new symbols, it may be wise to learn these symbols first, or alternatively carry a laminated card with the information on it when travelling in remote/dangerous areas.

The Yes an No means an understanding of a question. It is more likely used if limited communications is received eg someone with a low-power handheld may be able to receive communications, however not have the power to transmit etc.

Kids low on Timtams is not an Emergency in any country! Note that these are "emergency codes" similar to the use of 000....only used in an emergency and if you need timtams, ring your local shop instead. I hope that explains the analogy.

Cheers
Andrew

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 10:59

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 10:59
Just curious as to whats the best colour.
Maybe red would be poorly visible against a sand background in the deserts?? Burning a tyre used to give the dense black smoke that was easily seen - and different to normal smoke, so would trigger the interest of anyone who saw it.
Baybe staking out a blue tarp would be more likely to be visible from the sky??
Maybe we should still be carrying those mirrors with a hole in them to aim at aircraft?
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Follow Up By: Member - John L G - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:06

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:06
Phil

I still have a signaling mirror in my kit and have actually used it in the Gibson Desert many years ago when 27mH was a luxury and GPS not yet invented.

Could talk to the guys on the radio but buggered if we could spot them until we used the mirror at which stage they could direct us to where they were stuck.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:16

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 12:16
What are the best tyres to burn - Coopers?

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 13:21

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 13:21
Greg, I thought explorers would be resourceful and inventive not use obvious materials.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 13:48

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 13:48
Best colour from the air depends upon the terrain. In the desert, green is the most easily seen, but basically they are looking for shape and colour ie something that isn't part of the picture.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 13:50

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 13:50
The best kind of tyres to burn are called "spares". :)))
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 14:18

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 14:18
John LG, I guess the simple stuff shouldn't get lost with all this technology out there.

Greg, The sidewalls are a bit thin on the Coopers - probably burn too quick.Jack Absalom used to burn the Sigma tyres. Good thing about the Sigma is that if you had to, you could burn the car too :-)

Footy, Interesting thing about green is that a fair percentage of the male population (including me) are colour blind for green. I'd be pretty useless spotting from a plane.
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 22:03

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 22:03
Prados apparantly burn well in desert regions.........
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 07:30

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 07:30
Nothing like a $50K + signal fire for attracting attention.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 08:24

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 08:24
Remember a CD or DVD makes an OK emergency signalling mirror.

- Look through the hole at the plane.
- Hold your other hand fully extended with one fingertip over the plane.
- Shift the CD so the sun's reflection moves around your fingertip.

It does work, though a proper mirror gives a brighter reflection.
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Reply By: Gob & Denny - Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 16:56

Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 at 16:56
what climate change we are starting into a good old fashioned winter

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 01:57

Thursday, Jun 28, 2007 at 01:57
I thought "S O S" to be a pretty simple International distress symbol.

Why invent another?
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