Working at a mining site
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 20:58
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Brendan14
Hello all,
Have any of you smart people worked in the mining field recently on either a casual or full-time basis.
My partner and I are in
Canberra but are looking to travel to the west on a working holiday and I would like to know if it is worth it (
mine employment), can we just rock up at a site and more than likely get work or where do I look for
mine employment.
I have looked on some web sites, but I just seem to find
mine employment for engineers and people with a higher education.
I have nothing other than an excellent work ethic,
fork license and a truck license.
I understand there is a shortage of accommodation, thats ok.
Any help will be appreciated.
Regards
Brendan...
Thanks guy's.
Reply By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:02
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:02
Brendan
I don't think you will get past the front
gate at the
mine site, most hiring is and will be done in
Perth, inductions etc.
But don't worry about
mine sites as the towns up NW are chasing people as
mine support
Cheers
Richard
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Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:26
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:26
You can go through labour hire mobs . Also you can acquire tickets by doing various mining specific tickets in capital cities...but they charge.
Almost all trade jobs are fly in fly out and so they hire from capital cities.
You need to get hold of someone currently in the business.
The hardest part is finding the start of the line. Good luck.
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Reply By: Exploder - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:27
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:27
Best bet is to go throe an employment agency that specialise in Mining Jobs.
If it’s a working holiday, probably look else where than mining cause all you will do is bleep of companies and Burn yourself after they spend money putting you throe site induction’s and training ECT only to have you up and leave Job’s/ companies every month or so when you want to go travelling, and you will end up not getting any work with any Mining agency ever.
Cheers.
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Reply By: CMB - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:32
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:32
Hi Brendan14,
I work as a contractor for 14 different mines (or associated facilities) and you have to have the following. A Generic induction that will allow you to work at any
mine. An SGS induction that will allow you to work at any BMA (BHP / Mitsubishi)
mine. A Lenons induction that will allow you to work at a particular BMA
mine and then a site familiarisation that will allow you to start work at that
mine. Each induction costs money any typically take all day. $$$ can be from $300 to $600. It is a very expensive and time consuming process. It takes 3 days (after your generic induction) to do the Oaky
Creek inductions.
$$ are worth it though. Be smart and hunt for the 5 permanant day shift jobs. You will be one of the luckiest people on earth to get a job in a
mine directly. Contracting is the way to go.
Regs,
Chris.
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Reply By: Member - Ian F (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:37
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:37
Hi Brendan,
First of all you will need a basic MARCSTA which is or seems to be a
mine induction safety prequisite ( this usually at your cost approx $120.00) then you,if your successful a
mine induction which can take a half to two days.
Best of luck,
Ian
ps 12 hour days
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:57
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:57
I work 12 hour days now - Get to sit down for about 20 min a day MAX! rest of the day i am working / walking / repairing machinery but work 7 days out of 14 - 2 on 2 off ,3 on 2 off 2 on 3 off rotation from night to day
12 hour days are a killer - If you want to work in the mines ( i have worked for CSR and Pioneer in the past ) you have to work hard....
As the other guys have stated you have to get Inductions done , but thankfully most of them are all One offs and are recognised on most mines in Australia.
Good luck , if i didnt have a child living in
sydney ( not with me, see once every 2 weeks ) then i would be doing the same
Boc
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Reply By: montana - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:52
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 21:52
the best way into a
mine is working for a contractor,you can usually end up with a company position for hard work and doing the right thing safety wise.its a lot easier to get the jobs once your over there.
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Reply By: swampy66 - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:27
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 22:27
Brendan,
I agree with Richard,
many people in W.A. have been lured out to the mines (remember there all inland - with a few exceptions) - and as a result - the towns themselves are short of people. OK it may not pay the same - but finding work should be easy - and you have the chance to live in a coastal town.
Have fun.
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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 23:41
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 23:41
Some mining towns are paying top wages for basic employment like cleaners, cooks etc;
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:57
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:57
not really cleaners and cooks etc are emplyed by the support sevices of which ESS are by far and away the biggest. they pay $53k a year only for the cleaners
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Reply By: ozwasp - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 23:52
Tuesday, Jul 24, 2007 at 23:52
Hi Brendan,
You don't have to work on the mines to make good money.
While fitters and electricians are making up to $200 000/yr on the mines (most of the adverts seem to around $50 flat an hour which equates to about $150 000/yr), you'd be hard pressed to find a job paying more than $120 000/yr... This is still a lot of money, but in reality a greenie like yourself (with no or few contacts) would struggle to find a minesite job paying more than $80 000 (which is closer to $20/hr before penalties)
Given that $80 000/year is a ball
park figure for someone like yourself then you'd have to compare it with working in the City (
Perth). Being boomtime at the moment it's not hard to find blue collar work that pays
well and has quite a bit of overtime... Thus It's not hard to find jobs that pay around $70 000 including overtime and you only have to work Monday to Friday.
Minesite work is very different than working in town and you either like it or you don't.... Most don't as they are away from loved ones and friends. It is something you do with a definite plan as you forgo so much of the outside world while you're away. I actually enjoyed (in hindsight) working away on various minesites over the course of 2 years (the food and the experience was great), but found it changes your outlook in that its easy to lose social skills - something that's evident on long time minesite workers, due to the isolation.
I would suggest that if you have an HR license or better to find a job in
Perth where it's easy to pick up mon - fri work with 10-12 hr days at >$20/hr plus penalties. If you really looked hard $25/hr plus penalties is around for an HR license.
If you're not interested in that, but working in the country while traveling, then try the tourist towns -
Broome would be great for picking up work at the moment.
Good luck - By the way you won't get a job by turning up at a
mine site or Mining town (except kalgoorlie - everyone there bleep es up their wages).
Cheers Will.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:11
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:11
I can assure you HR driving pays nothing of the sort. More like 16-18 per hour. around $22 for an agi
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:44
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:44
I just finished doing some HR driving work at
Karratha. I only wanted a month's work and made that quite clear from the start. The employer was looking for a short term prospect to buy them some time to find a full-time employee. I literally walked into an employment agency and was offered an immediate start. $24.00 per hour, as many or as few hours as I wanted to work - my choice basically.
I found out that the mining support industries are desperate for staff, so if you can't get onto the mines directly, consider going for some of these support jobs. One thing though, accommodation is rarer than rocking horse poo and dearer than poison. People here are letting out single rooms in their houses for $300.00 week before charges for power and
water and so on. There is absolutely no chance of a permanent bay at a caravan
park and the waiting lists are a mile long.
It was good fun and I met some great people, but it's time to move on. Too much of Australia left to see.
Cheers,
Russ.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:54
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:54
i was referring to HR driving work in
Perth. My missus has done it and fighting the ever more congested roads full of turkeys round
perth from one end to the ever sprawling end for $17.50 per hour with no public holidays or decent overtime pay
Has knobs on it
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:20
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:20
I couldn't agree more Davoe. I was more following up Brendan's post than yours. Sorry, I should have been a bit more specific in addressing my comments.
Cheers mate,
Russ.
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:22
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 08:22
Oops, I even cocked that up. I was following up Will's post.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 16:27
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 16:27
Hi Dave,
I don't suppose you bothered to do any research before making your claim
Toll pay $22.51 to its dayshift HR drivers and pay penalties after 7.6 hours
Toll's drivers that work for Coke make over $25 an hour on dayshift before penalties.
If you look in any Saturdays West Australian newspaper there is a page full of jobs for truck drivers, with some showing the pay rates. HR drivers with HIAB tickets are advertised at $22+ per hour
As for $16-$18 per hour, the last casual award rate (no longer applies) which is now 2 years old was paying over $17 per hour - and that was before demand increased.
So if you're stupid enough to work for $17 an hour, then you probably deserve it.
Will.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:09
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:09
there is some work out there but the secret is now out. you really need 1 years minimum mining experience for the agencys to talk to you.
Perth is full of people with trucking experience u/g trucks , agi trucks . semis etc that cant get a look in.
It used to be easy but now everyone is screaming "boom" every man and his dog and dogs pups have jumped on the bandwagon. Amnother facor that hasnt helped is it is now really hard to survive in
Perth on city pay (truck driving is 16-18 ph) so people are being forced to try the mining game.
Any hirer/firer will tell you of desks overflowing with resumes and i can asure you they are not 1 bit interested in taking on someone and training them.
KCGM offers trainee truck driver positions but they recieve 10-20 resumes per week
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Reply By: Pomgonewalkabout - Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 11:38
Wednesday, Jul 25, 2007 at 11:38
If you fancy South Australia then ring up Select Staff in
Port Augusta.
You may get a contract in
Leigh Creek as a general skilled worker.
If you have a light rigid truck licence you may get on the training pool to drive the trucks.
cheers
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