Deep cycle batteries
Submitted: Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 19:10
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Ianwa
Hello everybody,
I have a d/cycle battery on my trailer which powers the Engel when we stop at the same place for a few days - the battery is connected to a small solar panel, also in the evening I run the generator for 3 or 4 hours and connect the Engel to the 240v output while I also charge the battery with a "Navaboost 140" charger.
After the 5th night the Engel is not running properly until the sun hits the solar panel.
At a 4WD
shop I was told the problem is due to d/c batteries being very slow to charge and that If I changed to one of the new hybrid type of battery the amount of charging (as mentioned above) would be enough to keep it in top condition.
When I was told that a deep cycle battery was" the only way to go" I was told of this problem!!
Comments on your experience would be appreciated.Thanks.
Ian
Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 20:27
Saturday, Aug 25, 2007 at 20:27
Hi Ian
I don't know what a navaboost 140 is but if it is a 14 amp charger and run for 4 hours on a decent sized battery it should boost the charge and the solar panel should make up the difference.
What size is the battery ?
What size is the fridge ?
What size is the solar panel ?
Regards
Derek.
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Follow Up By: Ianwa - Sunday, Aug 26, 2007 at 13:29
Sunday, Aug 26, 2007 at 13:29
Hello Derek,
Thanks for your reply :
The battery is : Puma deep cycle DC27 - calcium MF
The fridge is : model MT 45F - 40th anniversary
The panel : Max output 40 W
Nominal max output current 2.34 A
The charger is 14amp
Thanks,
Ian
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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:30
Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:30
Hi Ian
Sorry for the late reply. I was in
Birdsville for the week.
Your battery is a bit small and yes they are slower to charge.
I would recommend that you upgrade the battery to a 100 or 120 amp hour AGM.
The solar panel is also a bit small and you should upgrade to a 2nd panel or a Bi-Fold of around 80W to 100W. This should keep up with the fridge and you will only need to run the 14 amp charger when the sun is poor.
Regards
Derek.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Aug 26, 2007 at 17:26
Sunday, Aug 26, 2007 at 17:26
Ian,
Although the solar panel may be "marginal" for your application, the inclusion of the generator to recharge the battery should
well and truly put things right.
My guess is your battery is
well below par.
You can try charging it up and then taking it to a battery
shop where they can load test it.
I would be replacing the battery if necessary, with an AGM type deep cycle battery and include a low voltage cutout unit to protect it.
The Engel is a great fridge, but will keep sucking power from the battery until it is dead flat. After a couple times of this, the battery will become calcified and....
well.......cactus!
I destroyed two batteries in this way before adding the low voltage cutout to the mix.
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Monday, Aug 27, 2007 at 13:40
Monday, Aug 27, 2007 at 13:40
Ian,
forget about 'hybrid' batteries grrr
your DC27 battery is a sla 80AH and would only be expected to run for a few days anyway.
Do as suggested and get a 100+ AH AGM Deep Cycle battery to replace it.
They recharge much faster and to a higher voltage because of the much lower internal resistance than either hybrid batteries or sla's.
With the fridge using 2.3ah (hopefully running at 50% dc) and the panel putting out ~2 amps over the day, you should get close to 2 days from it without any recharging at all and only discharging to 50%
Simplisticly and yes NOT accurately.
Fridge use---> 2.3a x 24(hours) = 55 / 50% (dc) = ~27ah
Battery supply---> 80ah /50% = 40ah
Solar charge---> 2a = 6 (hours) = 12a
So according to the (realistic ?) numbers you use only 15ah per day with your 40wt solar panel.
(according to the numbers - and yes it's not true, but then do numbers lie ? )
The idea with solar is you must be able to replace in a day all the power used in 24 hours, to maintain a fully charged battery.
AGM's will recharge faster and therefore they require much less 'sun' time.
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Reply By: Kylie in the exy - Tuesday, Aug 28, 2007 at 10:09
Tuesday, Aug 28, 2007 at 10:09
Hi guys,
I have a 60ltr Waeco that runs off a Marine battery (used as an aux batt). The marine batteries have a "deep cycle characteristic" but charge at the rate of a normal battery.
I am not up with all the technical stuff but that is the way it was suggested to me at the time of setting up my dual battery system and so far it has been great. The Waeco does have a cut out feature and it has been activated on two occasions - once when I didnt drive the car for 48hrs in warm weather and another when I didnt drive the car nor charge the aux batt fully before I went away. Apart from that it has been a great set up for me.
Cheers
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