UHF Radio Feedback
Submitted: Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 21:19
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alcokev
hi there i have a problem with my uhf, it works fine with the engine off, but when the engine is on there is interference with the output there is a buzzing sound behind my voice at the receivers end. what could be causing this. its on a 1995 pajero, its earthed and is connected to the 12v ignition wire that runs to the radio for power.
Reply By: Eric Experience - Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 22:09
Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 22:09
alcokev.
Try running the radio directly from the battery. Eric.
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Reply By: RFLundgren (WA) - Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 22:33
Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 22:33
You dont say what motor is in your Paj. If it is a pertol motor you will need to get a niose supressor to insert to stop the interference. I am assuming a pertol as when I had my Pajero which was the 2.8 TD I did not have any issues at all in regards to noise from the radio. I had at the time both UHF and CB.
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Reply By: LGen1 - Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 23:48
Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 23:48
If you have it earthed to the battery it may be the problem,
Earth it to the body of the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Ingtar - Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:17
Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:17
What? Earthing to the body of the vehicle introduces more points where noise could be induced. Direct to the battery is the best option, and the battery will work as something of a buffer.
Another option is to look what your power/aerial cables are run next to... if they run too close to other electrical items they may cop interference even if it is not feeding through the power circuit.
Other than that, noise suppressors as others have mentioned.
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Follow Up By: LGen1 - Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 20:08
Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 20:08
Irrespective of what Ingar posted, try it.
I had the same problem and a radio tech. removed the earth from the battery and earthed it to the body of the vehicle, nothing else was done, and the problem was eliminated.
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Follow Up By: Ingtar - Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 22:34
Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 22:34
Sorry LGen, I just like to understand why things do what they do... I have always been taught to go direct to the battery. Only things I can think of is that possibly the vehicle acts as one big shield, or moving the earth simply cleaned up a dodgy connection.
Sometimes too many things are taken to a battery and that causes problems because they can't all get a clean connection.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 18:00
Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 18:00
This is one of those odd times when you may both be correct :)
High frequency radio signals are complex and obstreperous animals and 477MHz is a fairly high frequency. In any particular vehicle installation it may be that by changing something as simple as a cable length or the location of the ground point - changes which wouldn't matter in a low frequency or DC situation - you significantly alter the electrical properties at UHF of the whole installation.
RF engineering in these sorts of situations is something of a black art and it's usually worth trying things which one may not think would make a difference. At 477MHz a piece of wire which your multimeter would register as zero ohms may have significance impedance (resistance).
Mike Harding
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Reply By: Olcoolone- Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 23:52
Monday, Sep 03, 2007 at 23:52
One other thing you might like to try is get some coax cable and connect the positive from the battery to the center core at one end and at the other end connect the radio via a fuse, the outer braid should be connected earth at both ends.
The idea is to sheild the positive wire from noise......
The other thing is to take the belt of the alternator and start the car and try using your radio, if the noise when transmitting has gone a away you know it is charging system noise and you can address it. DON'T RUN THE CAR FOR MORE THE 2 to 3 MINUTES AND DO IT WHEN THE CAR IS COLD.
If the noise is still there you will have to try and find it, many things like fuel pumps, ecu's, distributers and coils are a common sorce of RF.
It might even be voltage induced noise or a problem with the radio. Most noise when transmitting is caused from dirty power, you don't see it much in mobiles but more when people use cheap unfiltered 240v power supplys
Check the voltage at the radio when transmitting with the engine on and off. (when checking the off one turn you head lights on for 30 seconds and then off, then test the power at the radio.
You could even try running the radio from a external power source (power supply,another vehicle) and see what happens.
Regards Richard
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Reply By: Grungle - Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 07:35
Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 07:35
Try fitting a noise supressor. Very cheap to buy and is a common fix for the problem described (although some vehicles like Fords are extremely hard to get rid of this noise).
Found a link to a site that goes through the process of trying to eliminate the noise from a 4wd that has a whine present on his CB ->
http://www.stu-offroad.com/cb/cb_install-4.htm
Good luck!
Regards
David
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Follow Up By: alcokev - Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 16:22
Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 16:22
all is sorted, hooked it upto 12v always on wire to the radio instead of the ignition switch one. cheers for the help everyone, was away in
bendethera last weekend and it was pretty wet. but the pajero didnt stop. kevin
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