Next G - Hopefully some myths busted

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 18:14
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I’ve noticed that posts on Next G are watched by many, I work in the industry and thought I’d post some Next G information. As per all posts this is just my opinion, I don’t work for Telstra or a competitor but mobile voice and data is the focus of my work. I just finished this post and realised that its very long winded but I hope some of you find it informative. I don’t often post but read often.

1. If comparing like for like with Next G and CDMA you must have similar set ups, a Next G phone on the dash compared to your CDMA phone hooked up to a car kit and external antenna will not give you a favourable Next G result. It’s like comparing two 4x4’s but blocking the air intake on one and coming to the conclusion that one is absolutely crap.


2. Much to Telstra’s delight (I’m sure) a few CDMA phones do display 1 or 2 bars of received signal strength in areas where you can NOT make a call. Next G phones do not do this. In order to compare technologies you actually have to be in active mode, i.e. making a call to get a true comparison. Most of you can’t afford this but if you could you would find the two networks to be very close in coverage. How many of you have received a text on your CDMA phone to tell you that you had a new voicemail and came to the conclusion that you must have just dropped out of service at the time the call came through, the reality is that quite a few CDMA phones (not all) can not sustain a call a 1 or 2 bars of signal strength. This gives you a false sense of security perhaps but the reality is that it is not a TRUE reflection on useable coverage. This is a phone manufacturers error and not Telstra’s.


3. If you expect your phone to work in a marginal coverage area then you need a phone that has a Blue Tick, if you make a statement about poor Next G coverage and you are not using one of these phones then it’s a useless statement as the receiver sensitivity on all other phones is not great giving you reduced coverage. The only two phones with a blue tick for marginal coverage are (at the moment) the LG550 and the Samsung A412. If you don’t have one of these phones then a statement about the lack of coverage is worthless, sorry but that’s the truth. I’m let to believe that a lot more phones with the blue tick will be on the market soon but I don’t know for sure.


4. Battery life, a lot of people are complaining about the short battery life on their phone, this can be true but we have found that a lot of phones are set with all features on, i.e. back screen light set to max time, screensavers etc, blue tooth turned on etc. If you have time, go through your phones settings with the manual and turn off what you don’t need, this, we have found, makes a huge difference to battery life.


5. Quite a few people, in our experience have Next G phones not working on the Next G network, 2 main reasons, the phone settings are not set to allow the phone to work on the Next G (some came out of the box that way), the second reason being some people bought Next G phones and did not upgrade their SIM Card to a USIM meaning the SIM will not allow the phone to work on the Next G network.

6. The Nokia 6120 will not get a blue tick because it does not have the ability to have direct coupling to an external antenna. When the cradle for the car kit arrives it will be a transformer couple car kit (if at all) reducing its marginal performance in fringe areas while vehicle mounted. As a stand alone phone without a car kit its probably one of the best if not the best phone on the market with regards to receiver sensitivity. But the lack of direct coupled car kits will be a limiting factor for some.

7. A phone without the camera and video recording facilities is available in Next G for those of you that work in sensitive area such as the military or in areas of R&D, it’s a ZTE phone, the model I believe is 153.

8. A lot of people are looking for a replacement for the Nokia CDMA phone the 6385 model with the pull up ariel, I am told ZTE are bringing out a Next G phone with a pull up ariel in October, this may be the phone most of you might want to wait for. It’s a candy bar style phone and will have a direct couple car kit available. I’m told the model number for the phone is the ZTE F165.

9. A lot of you bag Telstra and what it does and I agree that they are not cheap to use but where is the alternative? I want to see another operator forced to equal Telstra’s network, lets see what prices they can then offer after having to spend the money to deploy a network over such a huge area. None have taken up the challenge and it’s a shame, competition is healthy. So while Telstra bashing is popular just remember that there is no one else to complain about.

Having now said all that I will post this and you can release the hounds to attack me. Apologies for typos etc.

Cheers, Grumpy
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 18:29

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 18:29
Lies Lies
1) my CDMA and Next G are just handsets only
2) utter b crap the opposite is actually true - the cdma could take and recieve call with no bars just reception obviosly not necc reliably but one bar was garanteed 100% the Next G phone is dodgy with 2 bars and it gets worse with 1 and no bars
3) I have a blue tick phone
4) Batt life - well i have turned the back lighting off etc but it seems my initial complaint was due tousing the phone alot more. When my GF was home It lasted quite a while
5) Works on next G and rarely roams to 2g




9) agree 100% with you here
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 20:43

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 20:43
Poor display of manners there Davoe.

The man's just offering his opinion after all.

If you were in the same room with Grumpy and used your response you'd probably find out why he's called Grumpy.

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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 22:52

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 22:52
Davoe

Why so sensitive, your were not attacked personally or even named. If you think this is a pack of lies then you did not read it properly.

1.You may be comparing two hand helds. Others are not, but are criticizing Next-G when they compare a direct coupled CDMA phone with a capacitively coupled Next-G model.

2.Grumpy said “a few CDMA phones”, not all phones. I have one that this applies to, 1 or 2 bars and often we cant make a call.
3.Congratulations, you have done something right.

4.You seem to have learnt something, you can make your battery last longer.

5.You seem to have your phone set up properly for roaming to all areas.

You claim Grumpy is propagating lies but you have not made any attempt to prove that there are not a lot of complainers falling into one or more of the traps listed.

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 23:55

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 23:55
Davoe, You sound about as frustrated as me with bloody phones!, As a earthmoving contracter siting in a machine all day operating in heavily timbered areas, in an out of gullys, constantley changing directions, i have come to the conclusion there is a lot of absolute bu...ch..t with teltras advertising in regard to mobile phone coverage. The next G coverage with a blue tick phone, (i have the latest samsung) is absolute crap to what they advertise, have sat in the same areas and have no better reception than cdma, which was nothing.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:28

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 10:28
Axle, do you use an external antenna? They are available for Samsung with a re-radiating coil patchlead that sits round the stumpy antenna. It can connect to a 6dB gain antenna if you really want.
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 18:38

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 18:38
Thanks grumpy,
Just what the doctor ordered, I have 3 to upgrade and need 3 more, plus an overhaul of my business deal.
I have been waiting for the nokia to come out as we have had great service with them in the past, but was disappointed to read on here about their poor performance.
I was also interested to read the other day about only 2 phones are any good in rural/fringe areas where we operate. Sales staff conveniently fail to point this out!
I guess I will hang off another couple of months and see what happens or comes available.
I dont think they are going to get their act together quick enough to be switching off the CDMA in January, depite the sms saying so the other day.
Telstra have been pushing me to change but i am not getting good answers to my questions, which i throw at them, mostly derived from info I read here . They cant wait to go when you hit the sales staff with a couple of tough questions.
I have freinds who have 3 of the LG 550 and they have all been back for repairs more than once, so they are off the list, so doesnt leave many choices at the moment.
Thanks for your writeup,

Cheers Pesty
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Follow Up By: Grumpy in WA - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 18:45

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 18:45
If you can, then hold off as long as you, more models are due every month so by the end of the year there should be a reasonable selection of phones to choose from.

I've very keen to get my hands on the ZTE F165. I sure hope it doesn't disappoint in quality, i'm not overly impressed with the current ZTE models.

One word of warning that has been passed on to me, the change over time to get a USIM with the same number as your as your current CDMA phone is about 2 hours but with the close of the network and the christmas madness on the way the system to change you over will be overloaded and may take more than 1 day. If you business phones can handle this downtime then wait, if not then perhaps don't wait any longer than mid November.

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Follow Up By: Brad, W.A. - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 22:32

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 22:32
I've had my LG550 for about 4 months and have had no problems, one of the best phones I have had. Reception is as good if not better than my last CDMA (I've had four in the past 8 years). I work offshore on support vessels in the NW and can recieve and make calls up to 80 miles out (most of the time).
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 19:39

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 19:39
I guess one could say I am a Nokia fan.

I have had good reliability for this brand in the past and it is why I waited until the 6120 was released before I upgraded.

I too, would also like to dispel a myth and that is that a handset must have a direct connection for best reception.

Based on information supplied to me by a very reliable and competent communications company in Adelaide, I connected my previous Nokia 2112 CDMA phone via a coupler on the holder, to the car kit and it worked very well.

Also, I believe the school is still out on how a external aerial will interface with the 6120's holder, or cradle as it is still being produced.

Time will tell of course, but whatever the external aerial connection, either directly connected, or via a couper, I'm sure the Nokia 6120 will have an improved reception range via the cradle regardless of Telstra's blue tick.
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Reply By: Member - Tom V (WA) - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 19:50

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 19:50
thanks grumpy
great explanation.
in spite of all the bagging of telstra, i have a samsung v710, I think it's a great little phone. had a software problem, but thats a phone fault, now fixed. uses bluetooth, great battery life.
it's next G, I have had great reception in some odd places, 30km out of PT Hedland, Kooljiman etc etc.
reception will get better when telstra throws more money @ it & stop their political fighting.
cheers Tom
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 13:03

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 13:03
Thanks too Grumpy great explanation and it made me wonder how my Samsung A701 will go in the bush.

Tom V you mentioned a samsung 710.

Is that the correct model or is it the 701?

thanks

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Follow Up By: Member - Tom V (WA) - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 13:29

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 13:29
Pedro

yep, sorry, it is a - A701
cheers Tom
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 14:10

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 14:10
Thanks Tom,
We are off to SA via Broken Hill shortly and its good to know you are satisfied with its performance.

I love the big numbers, good for those with poor eyes

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Reply By: PeterInSA - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 20:00

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 20:00
Grumpy,
Thanks for your info, I was counting on the Nokia 6120 with cradle and external aerial to replace my CDMA which has exceptional coverage, but to no avail.

I have heard a number of sad stories about the LG550 so that phone is not for me either. It looks like I will be waiting.

In closing a Telstra sales couter person did warn me that Telstra can push me off CDMA which I already knew about. A clause on my mobile bill some months ago alluded me to this strategy.
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Reply By: Keith_A (Qld) - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 21:39

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 21:39
Thanks Grumpy - a well thought out explanation.
I posted an article on this forum after seeing an LG TU500 perform on a 2 week trip from Brisbane to Darwin, and it was brilliant. So - I bought one ( changed from Optus), and have found the coverage to be good.
The software from LG is not in the same league as that from Samsung (which is brilliant), but the phone itself has performed well.
................Keith
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Reply By: friar - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 21:40

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 21:40
G/Day Grumpy, just purchased a LG 500 to replace my old cdma LG phone, I bought a patch lead with the new phone which will be connected to my old external aerial on bullbar, in your opinion will this work & improve my coverage, thanking you Friar.
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Follow Up By: Brad, W.A. - Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 22:35

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007 at 22:35
I've done exactly that with my LG550, it works well and improves coverage over just the handset.
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 01:42

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 01:42
Quote.. "The only two phones with a blue tick for marginal coverage are (at the moment) the LG550 and the Samsung A412" .. (end quote)...

Ummm, according to thishttp://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetwork/mobiles.cfm the LG TU500 is blue ticked also...

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Reply By: Member - Karl - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 09:54

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 09:54
Grumpy,

Thanks for your post and I have a question for you if you could answer me please.

I have one of the ZTE 153 phones you spoke of as I work for the Dept of Defence here in WA and because it is a 'company' phone there are limits on what I can use it for. During the week I divert my GSM number to it so I only carry one phone (don't want to look like a knob carrying two phones)

So I was thinking of upgrading to a Next G pre paid mobile to use on weekends and holidays etc. The reason for pre-paid is because I can't see the value of paying $X a month when in fact I will only be using my private phone occasionally.

My question is - if you can answer it for me - if I get a Next G prepaid mobile - I am looking at the LG 550 - can I transfer my private number over to a pre paid account (as I have had this number since 2000 and I don't want to change it)?

Any advice appreciated.

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Follow Up By: Grumpy in WA - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:51

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:51
Hi Karl,

I have no idea. Sorry.

I know all operators allow you to keep your number when you change from prepaid to postpaid, not sure if they allow it the other way but I don't see why not.

If you can get someone in T-shop to agree to it then do it there an then, you can still use your USIM in your GSM phone until you buy your Next G phone.

Let us know how you go. Cheers.

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Follow Up By: bushbuzz - Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 23:17

Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 23:17
Hi Karl,

Yes you can transfer your existing number to a new Next G LG TU500 prepaid. TU550 are only available in post paid. You can also transfer any credit on your old phone thru to your new phone.

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Reply By: friar - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 11:03

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 11:03
Thank you member Ed. C. hope it turns out to be as good as my old cdma LG phone, which I have had since changing from the analogue system some years ago. Friar
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 11:54

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 11:54
Grumpy, Thanks for the feeback my Next G phone has been brilliant with the use on an external antenna occassionally. I use a PDA Jasjam. This has been the best phone best coverage thing I have ever had, period . (Never owned CDMA).

I used the Telstra coverage map before my trips and allowed for the external antenna. Apart from coverage battery life and all those sorts of things belong to the phone in my opinion.

What are the choices..? Optus and Vodafone..?? No thanks, they are worse, I'll take Telstra Next G all day everyday. To the whinges and baggers, bleep off and buy something else..!





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Follow Up By: Member - Sam (NSW) - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:21

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:21
Terra, are you using your JasJam through a cradle or just an antenna plugged directly into the JasJam?

I purchased the cradle thinking it would have a plug for the antenna like my old SmartPhone did, but there was no antenna plug built in (THB Bury unit).
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:50

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 12:50
Sam, No directly into an antenna. (No cradles) You simply buy the antenna adapter to suit the Jasjam and your away. using the run of the mill magnetic based aerial and carrying it with me on a boat 120km's off shore I was making calls and accessing the Internet in areas not quite mapped by the coverage chart. I use the same type of antenna through glass in my Hilux for areas required although so far haven't been too far away.

This is the sort of adapter that is available:

http://www.techmate.com.au/product.php?cid=112&id=432
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Reply By: Member - Big Al. Gold Coast - Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 19:22

Friday, Sep 07, 2007 at 19:22
Grumpy
Thanks for your report.
We have just arrived in Melbourne from the Gold coast.
We were able to connect to Next G mobile internet in the Turondale area NSW and the Rosewhite area Vic
We are using a external antenna. On both occasions no bar's for reception but it still worked.
No other service in these arears.

I have just received the patch lead for the LG 550 mobile so will see how that peformes on our way to WA via Alice Springs.
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Reply By: Graham & Ann - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:33

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:33
Thanks grumpy, your post is pretty well spot on from my experience, ..... poor Davoe
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Reply By: Member - Big Mke (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:19

Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:19
Thanks Grumpy,
I have just bought a lg550 nexg and am rapt. Previously only on gsm, my last phone contact was from Roma and then Alice. On this trip, I could make and get calls when in Boulia, Augathella etc.
I suppose coming from a gsm, I don't expect too much in the way of reception so I am not unrealistic when it comes from non-sattelite phone communications. Can't wait until my ext aerial arrives, will be even better.
Mike
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 23:40

Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 23:40
well another day and yet another 3g dropout. where? out in the bush in the middle of no where?
( well not this time but it often happens when i am even though i am only a few hundred metres from the tower)
NO this is the middle of perth not 15 k from the cbd happens all to often
from my experience 3g struggles to keep up with GSM let alone replace cdma.
I struggle to phone my girlfreind in karratha even though while on site i am 500m from the tower and she is in a major city
Im sorry but currently it is crap and those ouside of the city (and some in it) ARE NOT HAPPY
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Reply By: TheWanderer - Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 14:12

Thursday, Sep 20, 2007 at 14:12
Hey Grumpy,

My past experience with LG has been that they just haven't quite got their products worked out - the way they function seems to be counter-intuitive.
I would rather get a Nokia if possible as they are simpler to use/program etc.

One question on the comparison of reception. You comment that the LG gets the blue tick and the Nokia doesn't because it doesn't have direct coupling to an external antenna. I thought the blue tick related to 'hand held' operation only.

If you take the LG off the car antenna - is it's reception still better than the Nokia?

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