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Submitted: Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:43
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dose any one have the same sort of trouble I do with my laptop , in that when I go to engage the key to start the vehicle the power cuts off from the laptop causing the laptop to shut down, this causing everything to be lost and having to restart the computer all over again. It's no fun when this happens all the time .

I have it plugged into the 12v socket for its power supply

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Reply By: Grumpy in WA - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:54

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 22:54
The battery must be completely stuffed? If its not then try disconnecting your lap top to run on battery for a short while and plug it back in after starting your vehicle. If this works then you can do someting more permanent and build in a switch.

If its just a stuffed battery then have a look on ebay.
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Follow Up By: jonboy - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 21:25

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 21:25
He is saying that the laptop goes off when he starts the car,
The laptop would not have a dead battery if the laptop is already on and running and then it goes off when the car starts.
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Reply By: Member - George J (WA) - Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 23:16

Saturday, Sep 08, 2007 at 23:16
thanks for your info , yes I thought that the laptop batterys should cut in while starting the vehicle I will check out the computer batterys and take it from there

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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 01:47

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 01:47
Install a separate power outlet for the computer.

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Reply By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:30

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:30
I run mine from the inverter which isolates it from that problem.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:57

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:57
My laptop battery has been passed away for a number of years now.

Also had the same problem as George when I was still driving the G60.

I started running my lappy from the inverter but have cooked a capacitor in the inverter, twice. Think inverter does not have enough watts..(what???)

Then hardwired a Kerio DC charger to auxilliary battery and no worries from then onwards.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:13

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:13
George,

The cigarette lighter socket is wired through your ignition (accessories) switch and the power supply will be interrupted when turning the ignition key to start. This is standard on most vehicles.

The best solution is to install a separate socket and wire direct to your battery terminals, either the starting battery if that's all you have, or the auxiliary battery if you have one.

In either case, make sure you include an "in-line" fuse close to the battery +ve terminal.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (Qld) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:40

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:40
I'll 2nd that as the most logical and sensible answer given
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Follow Up By: louie the fly - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:55

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 08:55
This is what I used to do when installing GPS' in our work cars, otherwise everytime the cars were started the GPS would shut off.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 09:20

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 09:20
#1 Run it from an isolated 2nd battery (if you have one) and
#2 Give the laptop its own dedicated wiring from the battery
and/or
#3 Replace the laptop's battery (if its worth it)
#4 Use a 12V voltage upsizer

I run a 15V Tosh (with a pretty dead battery) directly off the starting battery and have no problems when cranking the diesel motor. But it cranks first flick, and with twin starting batteries, the voltage drops to about 12V for the first 30secs while the preheat is on. Maybe your vehicle's voltage drops pretty low during cranking?????
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Reply By: Member - Debbie R (SA) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 09:53

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 09:53
Hi George.
I must agree with Sandman, this is definately the most logical way, I may be a little anal when it comes to our laptop, I would be reluctant to hook it up to a cranking battery whilst starting a vehicle for fear of spikes.
We have ours wired to the auxillary through a cig plug socket, and fused lightly at the source. Alternatively operate laptop through a hard wired pure sine wave inverter using its own built in battery system, hope this helps.
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50
Most laptops these days are not 12v, they are 16-19v. (although the internal circuits are still 12v and 5v)

If you have a 12V laptop and have rigged up a cable to bypass the AC adapter and gone direct from the Cig socket (the ignition switched one) to the DC in socket on the laptop, you will probably not have enough volts to charge the laptop battery, so it will always be flat and as soon as you start the car the unit will shut down.

You have a number of options which have been outlined above.

My preferred option is to wire a new, fused hot Cig socket to the most suitable battery and use the AC adapter via an inverter to enable the laptop battery to receive some charge. Laptop batteries are intolerant of being run too flat, and are usually ridiculously expensive (most Toshiba models excepted) to replace.

Sooner or later the crashing shutdown will corrupt your operating system as well, then you'll have the joy of re-installing everything from scratch. With XP on a laptop, this can take 8 hours by the time you install all the MS updates, etc.
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 12:54

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 12:54
As stated above 'laptops' are not 12v but closer to 18v.

The voltage in the battery will drop when you initially start the car and often when the fridge starts on some Aux batteries also.
The laptop sees this lack of (18v) power as no power and automatically switches off.

Wire it direct to an Inverter and run off 240v.
It will automatically recharge your computer battery (if possible) and run it safely.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 15:28

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 15:28
Mainey,

I'm not convinced that will solve George's problem.

Regardless of whether the Laptop is running off an Inverter or not, the interruption to the power supply will still happen and if the Laptop's internal battery is flat or non-existent, the Laptop will still "die".

I don't recall Inverter's having a "back up" power supply like a UPS does.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:40

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:40
I have problems with my inverter sensing low power and shutting down when the vehicle is turned off. doesnt have this problem with it connected direct to the battery.
One of these days I will get time to hook up power direct from the battery with enough plugs for all the equyipment you "have" to have these days
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 20:18

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 20:18
George's problem is stated as ""when I go to engage the key to start the vehicle, the power cuts off from the laptop - causing the laptop to shut down, ..... I have it plugged into the 12v socket for its power supply ""

This indicates to me, the computer battery is not running the computer independently, and also the Cranking battery looses voltage when it cranks the engine, which is normal.

However the Aux battery is not affected by the loss of voltage of the Cranking battery when starting
(I have to assume it's isolated by a 'good' battery isolator system)

The Inverter should always be connected to the Aux battery (via fuse) direct to the (+) and (-) terminals, and preferably a (quality) Deep Cycle battery, therefore it's fully independent and not affected by the Cranking battery voltage, either high or low.

If the Inverter is connected correctly there is no more danger from 240v while driving than while stationary.

My inverter is running at least 3 x items, 4 days a week minimum, full time, but I wired my Battery isolator, 200+ Watt Solar system, Solar Regulator, 200+ AH AGM storage Battery electrical system and Inverter myself, so I know it's as safe as the ADR's require it to be.
It's used 24/7 running Fridge Freezer, Inverter and lights etc.
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Reply By: kend88 - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:30

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 18:30
Not sure it's a good idea to run 240v in a moving vehicle.
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Follow Up By: BIG_red87 - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 21:37

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 21:37
and why is that?
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Follow Up By: BIG_red87 - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 21:37

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 21:37
and why is that?
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 22:14

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 22:14
There is nothing wrong with operating 240 V in a moving vehicle. The big question is whether the installation is safe or not - exactly the same problem as operating it at home.

In selecting an inverter, make sure the output is isolated from the input. (This applies for any application.) You can simply check this with a multimeter on the ohms range. Connect the power supply directly to the 240V output socket on the inverter - do not attempt any external 240V wiring yourself. The 12V wiring is done like any other appliance, heavy cable protection fuses etc.

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Follow Up By: kend88 - Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 16:15

Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 16:15
Wouldn't like to come to the assistance of the car after an accident and get zapped by 240v
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Reply By: Member - George J (WA) - Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 22:24

Sunday, Sep 09, 2007 at 22:24
thanks all you guys out there regarding my laptop for power feed i


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