Diesle Injector service
Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:10
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Johnny boy
Hi all Im about to get my injectors serviced and just thought Id ask if anyone can tell any difference when its been done as Im also getting it dyno tuned as
well so they can measure EGT and make sure its producing correct boost as it seems to struggle up hills towing my van ,I put a pyrometer in the L/C on thursday and went up the coast and it did not seem to exceed 450c and on the flats 300-350c I have been told that the safari kits with garrett turbo were renowned for the lack of boost up hills when the revs drop ? so am I driving wrong ? Im also looking for someone to do the job and have been advised to try JC Diesle in Narrellan has anyone used them and what is your comments ?
I hope I didnt ask too many questions its just that I have been given differant advice bye differant mechanics and its getting a bit confusing for a bloke that has not owed a Turbo diesle before
thanx everone for taking the time to read this post and I hope to hear from some of you soon .
Regards J.B
Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:39
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 08:39
Hi J.B.
Sorry, I can't help with diesel specialist in your area. You've done the right thing by fitting a pyrometer to keep an eye on your EGT.
From your message, it seems you have a Landcruiser with an aftermarket safari turbo kit? If you have measured a max EGT of 450 C (presumably downstream of the turbo?) under full load up a decent gradient, then I'd suggest the injection system is not allowing sufficient fuel to be injected at full boost and full load.
I suggest a max EGT of up to 520 C post-turbo is quite OK and possibly a bit conservative in the case of large capacity turbo-diesels. [However pre-turbo EGT measurement is superior and much preferred in my opinion.]
You say this is your first turbo diesel - could I suggest you have a look at the articles on this site which explain many aspects of turbo diesels, beginning with "Why Diesels are Different"
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http://www.exploroz.com/Vehicle/Technical/DieselEngines.aspx]
If nothing else, these articles may help you understand the jargon being spoken by diesel mechanics, etc.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 10:10
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 10:10
Hi Ian thanx for the advice and I will check out those sites just for some additional info I had a bung in the top edge of the dump pipe so I removed it only to find it was to big for the sender to screw into so I used the supplied weld on nut and insted of drilling a new hole I welded it ontop of the hole the bung came off as this was in a good reachable location and then I wired the VDO gauge up so do you think this is OK ? or have I stuffed up ?
Regards John.
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 10:26
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 10:26
Hi John,
Sounds like your dump pipe came with a metric 18mm threaded port (DTS/MTQ use this size port, never been sure about Safari). [Just by the way, I can supply a brass adapter (reducing bush) to go from M18x1.5 male thread to 1/4" BSP female.]
As long as the VDO sensor (thermocouple) is projecting about 15 to 20 mm beyond the inside of the dump pipe wall, it should be reading quite OK. If it's less than 10mm, I'd be a bit concerned and would try to get it in a little further. Hope this helps.
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Reply By:- Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 10:18
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 10:18
Sorry, mate, not enough info. Assuming that you have aftermarket safari turbo may I ask you if you did turbo boost compensator? This is a modification of high-pressure pump to put more fuel under more boost. Unless you have this fitted your engine would either run way too rich at low load or straggling for juice under high load. Such mod put you back for 500 bucks or so (DIY – dismantle it yourself) if memory servicing me correct. As for injectors and pump service I would recommend what I do – find good big factory for diesel fuel system service only (preferably truck oriented one), take off your injectors and/or pump by yourself and let them to service/calibrate. Thus you save lots of money, get first class service and be happy. And it is not such a difficult to do.
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Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 15:37
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 15:37
Hello ...? mate I boughjt the 4B with the kit fitted but I think your right I dont have a modified pump and that is something I will look at in the near future could I ask if you are a local to western SYD and if so who do you like to use for the work you mentioned ??
Regards John.
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Follow Up By:- Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:28
Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:28
Hi John!
I do not understand why system does not show my nic (KSV). I am living in
Melbourne and thus know nothing who is good in
Sydney. I got 80 1HZ with DTS aftermarket turbo WITHOUT compensator. As I said in previous post I did everything by myself - took of pump and injectors and gave them to big "diesel fuel system only" factory to service/recalibrate. They fit compensator at this time. And I fit everything into car by myself. After fitting compensator I have not notice any difference in fuel consumption, either positive or negative. However I rid of ugly black smoke and my truck became more responsive.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 17:43
Thursday, Sep 13, 2007 at 17:43
Hi KSV , mate was the pump hard to remove and did you have to use any custom
tools or know anything odd as I thought that if I removed it It effected the timing or somthing (hey I dont know diesles ) so how hard and how long did it take ?? and from what I have heard the DTS is better than my safari (garrett) and what boost are you running .
Regards John.
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Follow Up By:- Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:18
Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:18
It is cumbersome, but not difficult. Only special tool you need is universal pulley remover. You cannot stick pump back in “wrong way” because it has key to prevent this. Also it is advisable to make marks on pump and engine to install it exactly in the same position. However if pump will be readjusted it may skew timing a bit. Timing is easy enough to alter on engine, so I fail to see much issue here. I done everything first time and it took me less then half a day (i.e. removing timing belt, injectors, pump and camshaft for valve clearance adjusting). If you decide to do it, then it would be an excellent time do above mention stuff as
well. Particularly valve clearance – it is extremely difficult to get spacer out even with special tool – forget about “two screwdrivers method” recommended by some SM, it is sure way to squash your fingers. Only one thing almost impossible to put back by your own is timing belt tension spring – and you need someone to help you (girlfriend/wife is OK, she can put spring in position while you pull it). Also you can study
Gregory or any other SM.
Good luck.
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Follow Up By:- Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:23
Friday, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:23
PS. Also if you will take camshaft off, I would *STRONGLY* recommend to cover all oil path from top of engine head with dump cloth upfront – bolts very oily and it is incredibly easy to drop one inside engine.
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 14:56
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 14:56
Johnny boy,
I use JC Diesel & have been a happy customer for years. Talk to Andy he will sort it out.
Cheers Dave...
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Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 15:14
Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 15:14
Thanx Dave I was hoping to get positive feedback I will try them and if there good I will definetly sing their praises .....But if there bad .....?? Lets not go there as they seem like real good blokes that dont talk Rubbish
well that the vibe I got anyway. :)
regards John.
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