White/blue light bulbs.

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I need some advise pls., i have narva driving light with H3 , 12 Volt , 100 WATT bulbs and like to upgrade them to the whiter light once.
The guy from Autobarn suggest the Philips Blue Vision 4000K but they are H3 , 12 Volt but only 55 Watt.

Would they be the right once and will they give me the same light distance?

Anyone using them?

Thanks for your advise in advance.
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Reply By: Kev M - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 07:04

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 07:04
That's sounds about right. I think the the 55 watts is as high as these come in.
There is some recent posts about these I'll see if I can find them for you.

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Follow Up By: Kev M - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 07:34

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 07:34
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 08:47

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 08:47
Hello prado-wolf,
if you want a whiter light then get the Phillips Blue Vision but don't expect the same distance as your 100 watt globes.

Blue Visions will give you better illumination of signs, animail eyes, markers and will give you a brighter whiter light at a shorter distance then your 100 watt ones will.

We reconmend the Blue Visions for older drivers who want better ligting for general driving as there eye sight declines

As you go up the light spectrium the light gets darker.....hence less distance
2200k orange
2500k yellow
3000k off white
4000k very white.
5000k Blueish
6000k very blue
8000k purple
11000k dark purple
14000k black

Standard halogen globes are about 3200k and the plus 50 about 3800k and the Blue Vision about 4000K.

If you use 6000k halogen globes the light output is less then a standard halogen globe but the look so COOOOOL !@#&&^%%$#$.

Human eyes also don't like light over the 5000k range as our eyes can not adjust to that part of the colour spectrium.

High power halogen globes fail quicker because to get more light output the filiment in the globe is wound with more coils and of thinner wire so they run hotter and also more junk forms on the filiment...they put out more light but has a shorter life.

Plus 30 and plus 50 globes use a mixture of gases to make the filiment burn hoter but with the same power consumption.

If you hold off for another couple of months Phillips are going to release their PLUS 80 range of globes.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:07

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:07
Richard actually I think you will find the colour in degrees K has nothing to do with the brightness. It is only the colour and rlates to what temperature you would have to heat a metal ( I think Iron) to be that colour. If you go down the light spectrum in your example, it also goes black

2200k Orange
1800K Red
1500K black
The difference is that the 1500K black is actually Infrared ( below what the eye can see), and 14000K is Ultraviolet.

The reason that blue lights are not as bright is simply because they are naturally about 3900k but the manufacturers coat the glass with blue dye to make it look blue. Hence you lose light in the filter.

The best solution is HID which are now reasonably priced and equivalent to 130w.

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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:01

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:01
Boobook, I agree with you post, with the brightness thing most people will see a whiter light compared to a yellow light as brighter but it may not produce a longer distance.

With the K chart I didn't go down any further then orange, orange was used as an example because any thing below 2500K is hard to buy for automotive headlight applications and are not for headlight use.

Anything below orange is illegal for forward facing lights.

With going up to 14000K there are lights advertised for automotive use that are this rating.....don't know why any one want them.

The blue filtering is right, but it is still filtering out the lower spectrum of white light.

In a technical thing maybe Kelvin's is not the right rating to use but all light manufactures use it and most people understand it better and Kelvin's are more to do with temperature then light .

Differant types of light can have a differant K rating even is the same wattage

Sunlight is about 5600K but normal sunlight has a blue tint to it from our atmosphere.

When we sell HID kit we try and sell the customer the 4200K ones as opposed to 6000k

With HID's I would have to disagree that the are equivalent to 130 watt halogen lights.

Maybe we should start a science section...LOL.

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Reply By:- Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:20

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:20
I consider blue lamps a P in the B when driving towards them as they seem to keep changing from blue to white.
I may be wrong but I associate blue lamps with Hoons
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:13

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:13
Soooo.... in our other car that comes with blueish HID's as standard you would look at us as hoons. COOL

Just having a dig, I know what you mean it is a P in the B but you misted one other thing bright fog lights, like te ones fitted to late model Commodores.

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Reply By: Mick - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:39

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 09:39
Absolutely agree with the link between blue lights and hoons. They are not as efficient in lighting the road but go well with modified exhausts to give that all important "note". Some people are all about "showing off" and very light on for functionality.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:18

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 10:18
Not necessarily so!

If you look at the current vehicle headlights as standard in BMW, Commodores, etc., you will see them flicker between blue and white colour, depending on the angle.
How these distracting and annoying lights passed the ADR I fail to see, probably allowed by the same dorks that approved the convex left hand external mirror which indicates the vehicle behind and to the left of you is further away than it actually is.

It is these "European" flavoured lights that the hoon brigade attempt to cheaply imitate with their blue globes.

As for the Philip's Blue Vision, although they have a blue tip on the glass surface of the globe, they emit a pure white light, as explained in the Daniel Stern lighting article. (see above)

They are very good for upgrading from a standard globe in the same specification range. (e.g. H1, H3, H4, etc.)
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Reply By: Member - Au-2 - Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 23:01

Sunday, Sep 23, 2007 at 23:01
A few years back, I was driving a Statesman with 2 small (white I thought,) spots in the bumper, north from Toowoomba and as I passed through a very small town just before the sun set, I switched the spots on. Being extremely aware of Skippy's habit of jumping out in front of cars at that time of day, I was worried that the long lonely road ahead would be a fraught drive for me. A white 4by pulled out in front of me just before we passed the last house and I breathed a sigh of relief as I could just sit back and follow him, for a while at least.
I followed him around a bend in the road and saw a police car facing us on the opposite side of the road. The officer was standing beside the vehicle and raised his arm at me to flag me down. Knowing full well that I wasn't speeding, I couldn't think of any reason why he wanted me to stop.
He told me, in no uncertain terms, that I had 'illegal' lights on my car and that I had to get rid of them. If I came through 'his town' again with them still on the car, he would fine me. "Only police cars are allowed to have blue lights," he informed me.Well, I had to go to Toowoomba quite regularly at that time, so I complied and had them changed to a more yellow light.
It wasn't long after that, probably a week, that I noticed the new Holdens all had 'blue' headlights. It must be driving him crazy. All those cars he can't fine.
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