rims and types for 96 troopie

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I bought troopie and it came with split rims. I didn't even know what they were, this being my first ever 4wd, but now view them with trepidation. They also have tubed truck types on them. What if I get a flat tyre somewhere? I assume I can't even put a plug in because of the tubes. Can anyone suggest what sort/size rims/tyres would be better - easier to change, handle, for a comlete novice. Yes, after 40 years of driving old holdens, I have never had to change a tyre. I know, about time I learned to do it, but don't think split rims are a good startng point. Any advice?
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Reply By: garrycol - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:39

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:39
Sorry - problem not understood - just carry spare tubes. It is a hell of a lot easier changing a tyre if you have split rims that normal wheels.

Split rims may be a bit heavier but outbush it is easier to change change that tyre.

Garry
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Follow Up By: orange - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 11:39

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 11:39
Yeah! Problem is the descriptions I have read of what can go wrong when you try to change split rims. Specifically, the damage to oneself. Good to hear it's easier.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 12:28

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 12:28
Gotcha - yep you do need to know what you are doing and take approriate precautions.
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Follow Up By: obee - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 17:06

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 17:06
Even better, you dont have to carry an entire wheel as spare. Just carry the tyre and tube. Split rims are easy with a couple of long tyre levers and a hammer. Well at least when its not fifty in the shade!

Most often a tyre will be punctured in the sidewall and with split rim set up you can apply a crisscross patch to the inside of the tyre and a patch to the tube or use a spare tube. Thats if the damage is not too severe. Plugs are not advisable on sidewalls.

If you stay on the bitumen your puctures most likely to be in the tread and you cant beat a tubeless tyre and rim for that.

If you ever do change a split rim set up, make sure you dont leave dirt and sand inside the tyre. I learned the hard way that it will wear a hole pretty quick in the tube.

I learned recently too that I shoulda kept off that freshly graded side of the road. The grader jumbles the sharp rocks and some stick the sharp side up. Or maybe I just should have kept off the Gibb River road?

My advice is have a good think about the sort of country you will travel. Good dirt country roads then tubeless. For the kimberly or virgin bush use splits.

I was told a good trick for breaking the bead and I have used it with great success. A couple of two inch pieces of angle iron can be hammered between the tyre and the rim moving around the rim until it falls away.

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 21:00

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 21:00
Owen,

Can you tell us more about how these 2 pieces of angle iron are used? Are they for splits or tubeless?

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Follow Up By: obee - Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 20:31

Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 20:31
For use with either split rims or tubeless. I simply hammer in the first one so it goes in between the tyre and the rim. Stop when it reaches the steel rim. Hammer in the second one next to the first. Remove the first and hammer it in next to the second further along. Keep repeating until you get to where you started. Sometimes the bead will break before you go all the way around. It seems the tyre does not have to be moved much, only the thickness of the bit of angle iron. I have used them for both types of wheel but if the tyre is very old and the rim very rusty it will take a machine to get the tyre off.

I stand on the tyre as I go around and my weight will push the tyre down when the bead finally cracks. You have to break both sides of course.

I would take a photo and send it if I knew where. I had to scratch my head a bit before I worked it out the first time. But it is simple.

I keep four bits of angle in the dilly bag with other tyre tools.

Owen
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:36

Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:36
Thanks Owen,
If I read you correctly, you are using short lengths of 2"x2" angle and hammering one edge of them in between tyre and rim progressively around the wheel to break the bead. This makes for a very space efficient bead breaker, especially since you will need to carry a rubber hammer anyway for reassembly. Have I got this right? If you can, I'd like to see photo please (johnandval at exemail.com.au).

I have a beadbreaker (inconveniently large) which works fine, but when removing the split rim, having broken the bead, have trouble keeping the tyre down clear of the split section. How do others do this? Simply standing on it isn't enough with my thick walled tyres.

John
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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 16:42

Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 16:42
Thanks for the all the advice, it's greatly appreciated. You can also send me a photo, too, if helpful. Email - lorisgooch@g.mail.com. Thanks again. I'm always appreciative of the advice, particularly that gained by experience, that I can tap into on this site.
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Follow Up By: Kev M - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 16:55

Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 16:55
The Tyrepliers also have the option of a split rim safety harness for split rim inflation

Look Here

I have a few brand new ones in the garage. If your in Sydney and want one let me know and you can have it.

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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:13

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Kev,
I had a look - it looks great. Simpler than a cage. I would like to get one and I am in Sydney. I'm setting off next year. I'm at Kingsford/Randwick. Where are you?
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Follow Up By: Kev M - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:14

Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:14
I am in the Liverpool area, I'll send you an email :)

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Follow Up By: Kev M - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:18

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Follow Up By: obee - Tuesday, Oct 02, 2007 at 11:24

Tuesday, Oct 02, 2007 at 11:24
I use a steel hammer. I am not concerned with cosmetics though. The tyre is pushed down by the effort that goes into hammering the rim in. You might need to put something under the wheel to take the weight off the tyre but I dont have a problem with my tyres.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:41

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:41
Hi Orange,

Have a look at this site

http://www.tyrepliers.com.au/incontents.htm

It will give you an idea about repars to both tubeless and tubed tyres. Split rims and tubed tyres go together and LT tyres are standard (mandatory) on Troopies. You cannot use a plug to repair a tubed tyre!!!!!

Repairing split rims can be dangerous/lethal if not done properly!!

An option would be to change over to tubeless tyres. You will need to also replace the rims.

Val.





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Follow Up By: orange - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 11:40

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 11:40
Many thanks for the site. I've read it and will print it off. I'm thinking of changing over to other rims/tyres.
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Reply By: Alan H (Narangba QLD) - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 12:15

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 12:15
Yes Split rims can be dangerous. - have respect for them.

The danger is the split rim may fly off iff not seated correctly when pumping it up. This is best done by putting the tyre inside a cage (like tyre places do). Out on the road stick the tyre under a vehicle or at least have it rim side down when applying air.

Have respect for the power of compressed air but practice a tyre cahnge at home before you have to do it at the bottom of some hill in mud in the rain. Your first bush tyre change should not be your first ever tyre change.
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Follow Up By: orange - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 12:44

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 12:44
Thanks for explaining the problem. And offering solutions.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 19:14

Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 19:14
you put the whhel rim size down on the passenger side no brake/fuel etc lines) beforepumping them up.
However I hve never heard of a mishap using A 12V pump out bush
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Reply By: Andy LC60 - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 13:30

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 13:30
Hi

I have been living and working in remote areas for the last 15 yrs driving Toyotas and Nissans with a mix of split rims and tubeless tyres.

The tubeless tyres are, generally, the better option, there is less heat build up in the tyre, they last longer and for simple punctures they are easy to fix, just push a plug in. (Get it properly fixed at the next town though). They also seem to get less punctures in the first place.

The tyre is easier to dismount on a split rim, but this is a pain in the bush (keeping everything clean and safety issues) and necessary for each puncture repair.

265/75 16 or 235/85 16 are good sizes as you won`t lose any rolling diametre and you can get very strong tyres in these sizes, albeit dearer than 15" rims and tyres. You will have to look into want is legal to fit to the Cruiser though.

Aftermarket rims will also make the truck look a million bucks!

Good Luck
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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:06

Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:06
Thanks for the advice. It is all appreciated.
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 14:03

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 14:03
I'd go for split rims any day and you can buy a decent offroad tyre to go with it(if you are going offroad, that is). Split rims are easy to work on and tyre repairs are not all that dangerous despite some of the comments above. If your rims and tyre changing equipment are in good condition then it should be a breeze to repair a tyre out bush. Common sense prevails.

If however you are not going to do real remote travelling then tubeless tyres will do. And as said, they are easy to plug unless you cut a sidewall....then you have to throw the tyre away and most of them cost around the $300 each mark these days.

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Follow Up By: Alan H (Narangba QLD) - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 14:14

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 14:14
Willem

On your treks where you go really bush do you use tubes or not?

Splits rims are usually narrow. Would you go for a wider rim and tyre or do you find narrow stand up better to protect the sidewall?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 17:45

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 17:45
Alan

I run Crossply tyres on splits out bush.

My experience with tubeless tyres is that the sidewalls are too thin. Even radials on splits don't fare well in off track driving.
As long as you go for a tyre with 12ply rating or less with crossplies, then the sidewall can bag out sufficiently to give better traction in sandy conditions.

Cooper STT tubeless sidewallis about 4mm in diameter
MRF Super Traction tubed crossply sidewalls about 25mm in diameter

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 21:04

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 21:04
Willem,

What do you mean by diameter in your last paragraph above? Are you referring to the thickness of the sidewalls?

John
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 23:00

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 23:00
John


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Reply By: Member - Dick (Int) - Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 18:45

Saturday, Sep 29, 2007 at 18:45
Orange

You did not say the year model of your Troopy. Does it have 5 stud or 6 stud wheels. If 5 stud I might be interested in exchange some wheels with you, depending on where you live. My wheels are in Newcastle.

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 19:17

Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 19:17
post title prob gives away they are 6 stud
rims and types for 96 troopie
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 22:59

Sunday, Sep 30, 2007 at 22:59
Yes you are right Davoe, somehow I missed the 96, I just read it as Troopie

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Follow Up By: orange - Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:16

Monday, Oct 01, 2007 at 17:16
Yes, Davoe is right. I went out and counted them. 6. Sorry about that - for you.
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