cooper HT tyres

Yes!!! I agree with you.(now I know) The tyre distributer won"t.
I guess I will have to chalk this one up to experience and start listening to you guys from now on

Have a coopers (stt's though) and they are a good tyre in the right circumstance.
My father has used Cooper HT for as long as I can remember....they never go on dirst road but have done the odd chase of cows through the paddocks and through creeks and not a problem. Gets close to 80,000km out of them.

Have Maxxis also, cannt remember which ones but they are road tyres and they have a done a lbit of dirt road and have coped fine, not a prob. We got a good 30 - 40,000 more km's out of ours to go..

Have a look at what the wall ply is suppose to be on the coopers. I know the stt's are 8ply on the grippy bit and 8 ply wall.stc's are 10 from memory...

Laura

I have had a talk with the missus who knows our tyre bloke pretty well, and the HT tyre are a road tyre. However if it was me I would keep at Coopers and the tyre shop that sold them to you, if anything if you explained to the tyre shop what you were going to be doing (most ask) and they sold you the tyres it comes down to being their fault as they werent sold to you as being what you wanted them for. Quensland has the fair trading dept. Sometimes just even a mention of them gets everyone trying to help you out. But thats only on a rare occasion.

I would love Coopers to do something. Both the tyre seller ad Cooper are refusing to offer any compensation. They are not even offering anything as trade or even a reasonable discount on my purchasing a new set of tyres.

I think sparkyray would know if the lugs had come off... and usually that is not a highway travel issue. Lugs coming off tends to happen more with harsh conditions and aggressive treads like STTs.
More than likely if the Cooper distributor is not getting involved sparkeyray's HTs have been staked or damaged by stone impact ... perhaps the he might tell us more.

I was just telling what our experience was with them nothing more, the lugs coming off were on a offroad tyre not the HT, it was just a comment. Saying that we had heard problems as well.

Dirt roads in this instance damage sidewalls (coopers anyway) Yes there werre stones on the dirt road, but we are talking about a grades dirt road outskirts of Brisbane with stones about 25mm dia, which have never damaged a sidewall on the Bridgestones HT

The Goodyear tye dealer has everything to do with it. They sold the tyres and have a duty to look after teir customers. I also approached Cooper. All parties are not interested. I am interested if anyone else is having problems with sidewall damage on Cooper HT. when driven on gazetted dirt roads. Hey fellas, we are not talking off road here, but our tyre dealers think that you must be driving over the rough stuff to do sidewall damage.

perhaps drop me an email seeing as I can't MM you - andrew@vividadventures.com.au

Sparkyray,
The tyre manufacturer provides warranty against manufacturing defects. So the dealer you buy the tyres off can only refer the matter to Cooper tires. If Cooper says no, then its Cooper tires you need to do battle with.
Any chance you can post a photo of the damage??

I do not consider my splitting problem a maufacturing defect. Both the tyre dealer and cooper has stated that the tyres were damaged from "outside forces". My beef is that I was travelling on fairly normal graded dirt roads for about 1 km, which I believed to be within the advertised realm of the tyres. Cooper seems to beieve this is off road. reading other forum discussion verifies that cooper generally will not warrant their tyres (even At) if taken off bitumen. Most of my driving is highway with sand and dirt roads (graded) being about 10% of mix. All conversations with experts point to correct selection of HT tyres for road handling and speed rating as per tyre placard from manufacturer.
Camera needs new batteries at moment, but imagine a sidewall split 50mm long.

And to play devil's advocate, he does 20% dirt... and 20% is more than 10%.

A rock impact is a rock impact is a rock impact. A stake is a stake is a stake.

Your speed, tyre inflation (and deflation for dirt roads), the weight you carry and your ability to negotiate around the bigger rocks is critical in determining if you will sustain rock impact damage on a dirt road.

I don't know whether is Goodyear Dealer is an authorised Cooper dealer, but at a glance, they probably should have directed him towards an ATR if they were in possession of all the facts.

That said, he would be well advised to either start getting his tyre dealer advocating for him, and if the dealer won't then take the damaged tyres to Exclusive Tyres in Brissy and make a common sense rational case without histrionics. I'd be surprised if he didn't succeed regardless of the merits of the case.

Mate stop repeating yourself. A rock impact is a rock impact is a rock impact, so is a gutter is a gutter is a gutter.

6yrs on HT tyres and no problem, now he has a problem. He only uses them 10% on dirt don't you Sparkyray.

Maybe ll the conjecture you have made about the damage could be correct but also the tryes may have failed.

I run Cooper AT's and have had no problems, so I am not biased, but with all the posts about problems with Cooper something must be amiss with batches of their product.

I also do a tad of dirt driving about 90% dirt and 10%bitumin, destroy a set of mudders(not coopers but a well known brand) about every 5000K. Run into town on dirt and bitumin on HT's at high speed and don't tear sidewalls out

But is there a problem with Cooper tyres or is it they sell more then the other manufactures hence the more so called claims.

I don't think a tyre manufacture would release a bad tyre and keep it in the market.....maybe a bad batch.

I think they way manufactures say that their tyres are a 80% road 20% dirt tyre is wrong.

Thy should rate the tyre for the use.

I would not reconmend a HT tyre for any 4X4 and in some applications soft roaders as well.

I think alot of tyre damage is owner abuse, expecting more then the tyre can do, using it for the wrong comditions and tyre pressure.


Regards Richard

I had the same problem with Light Truck construction STs, the people following me couldn't believe that 2 tyres failed on a level track strewn with loose rocks, beside a river.
If Coopers are genuine about their warranty, why is Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane only?

I had a coopers tyre fault that caused us a near serious accident. luckily for us all turned out okay - ended up with a full car respray and some new glass and 2 new tyres - so cant complain. it was only one tyre with the fault. i took it to another tyre dealer for an opinion first and they showed me why it was a faulty tyre. so i then took it to the dealer i bought off only to have him tell me it was all my fault and the tyre was perfect - no faults. after some discussion he agreed to sell me another tyre (as i was about to go away on holidays within two days) on the condition he return the suspect tyre for checking at coopers head office.

whilst on holidays i got a call to say coopers recognised the fault and so i got a new tyre on return less the cost for the wear on the damaged tyre. i was happy enough as it gave me 5 coopers tyres now and the cost to me was negligible.

however the interesting thing was the other tyre dealer i went to told me to go elsewhere (within 30 minutes) as they would have better after sales service.

the problem as i see it is coopers limit the dealers to ONE in any location that can sell their product, which tends to make some have an ego problem and become arrogant. I have had the coopers for about 3 or 4 years now and would definately buy them again. i obviously have a good reason to change but wont as the positives outweigh the negatives. i have the ATs which i think is a better option to HTs which really are a road tyre (to my understanding) ps. sometimes i see jealousy as a reason why some will curse the cooper tyres. how many of you that are bagging coopers have actually had them for a period of time and used them off road.

cheers mick

I had a coopers tyre fault that caused us a near serious accident. luckily for us all turned out okay - ended up with a full car respray and some new glass and 2 new tyres - so cant complain. it was only one tyre with the fault. i took it to another tyre dealer for an opinion first and they showed me why it was a faulty tyre. so i then took it to the dealer i bought off only to have him tell me it was all my fault and the tyre was perfect - no faults. after some discussion he agreed to sell me another tyre (as i was about to go away on holidays within two days) on the condition he return the suspect tyre for checking at coopers head office.

whilst on holidays i got a call to say coopers recognised the fault and so i got a new tyre on return less the cost for the wear on the damaged tyre. i was happy enough as it gave me 5 coopers tyres now and the cost to me was negligible.

however the interesting thing was the other tyre dealer i went to told me to go elsewhere (within 30 minutes) as they would have better after sales service.

the problem as i see it is coopers limit the dealers to ONE in any location that can sell their product, which tends to make some have an ego problem and become arrogant. I have had the coopers for about 3 or 4 years now and would definately buy them again. i obviously have a good reason to change but wont as the positives outweigh the negatives. i have the ATs which i think is a better option to HTs which really are a road tyre (to my understanding) ps. sometimes i see jealousy as a reason why some will curse the cooper tyres. how many of you that are bagging coopers have actually had them for a period of time and used them off road.

cheers mick

sorry for the stutter but the computer locked up .. mick