Doing up the Pajero
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JackMack
I have a Pajero NP 2003 DiD Exceed. I have had the vehicle for 12 months and now am completing my research on getting it ready for some off road work. I am intending over the next few years to go to
Cape York,
Simpson Desert, CSR and the like. Also with a number of smaller off road and beach trips thrown in. However the Pajero will still spend most of it's life on the blacktop so it must be kept comfortable but capable.
My research so far tells me I should be doing the following:
Cooper ATR 265/75/16 (light truck tyres), King Springs 20ml lift, Bilstein Shocks, ARB steel bullbar (going to lose the small
driving lights with this bar), Light Force 170ml spots, GME TX3420 (not sure where to put the faceplate, Artec
snorkel, Rhino sports bars with Rhino Alloy rack 1500 x 1100, Milford cargo barrier. That should do it for now.
I am loooking for feedback on the above and also would appreciate comments on anything else I should be doing. Maybe a ARB Air Locker (front or rear?).
Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 15:32
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 15:32
There's a good chance you'll lose the rear bumper when it scoops a good load of sand or mud, as it seems to be designed to do. Either re-inforce it or cut the plastic that extends towards the front of the vehicle.
Also I can't see the Rear Airconditioner plumbing lasting long once you go offroad - crack those pipes and your front airconditioning will stop too.
Some protection for the Intercooler also seems a good idea.
The NP got the least off-road use of the Pajeros I've owned, but these were the vulnerable areas I noticed on it.
For first hand advice I suggest the Pajero
Forum -
http://140.99.20.180/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 16:21
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 16:21
2nd that.
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:07
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:07
Thank you Mike, I will investigate a steel rear bumper option...if one is available.
How do I disconnect the rear air conditioning? Don't use it anyway.
I looked at the link...I will use it.
Thanks Mike
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:07
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:07
Thank you Mike, I will investigate a steel rear bumper option...if one is available.
How do I disconnect the rear air conditioning? Don't use it anyway.
I looked at the link...I will use it.
Thanks Mike
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:07
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:07
Thank you Mike, I will investigate a steel rear bumper option...if one is available.
How do I disconnect the rear air conditioning? Don't use it anyway.
I looked at the link...I will use it.
Thanks Mike
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 21:53
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 21:53
Glad it helped
Glad it helped
Glad it helped
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:55
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:55
I would suggest you loose the plastic-covered sidesteps as they will be damaged easily (as i found out).....the metal framework is fairly thin also. The price for replacement pieces for the sidesteps is ridiculous.
I would look at (if you haven't done it already) a good battery to handle the rough stuff (i ended with the red optima agm battery), plus allowing components for possible future fridge install.
hope this helps.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:09
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:09
Andrew, I will be putting in a dual battery system and will investigate a better battery setup. Thanks
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Reply By: Stu050 - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:56
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:56
JackMack,
You forgot the long range fuel
tank. -on the CSR you will need to carry enough fuel for over 1000 KM of sand driving. If you take the distance that you travel now on a
tank of fuel, then halve it, you will be close to the range that you will get in sand.
Eg; 60L diesel gets you 700 KM normal running.
in sand, 60L diesel may only get you 350 KM.
I am not saying that this formula is cast in stone, but it is something to be very aware of when travelling in the deserts.
Also don't forget
water. 5L per person per day.
Second spare and tyre repair equipment.
HF radio or satphone. (these can be hired)
Fire extinguisher and comprehensive
first aid kit. (upgrade to remote area kit when required)
All I can think of at the present.
HTH
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:12
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:12
Stu050, The largest long range fuel
tank I can find adds 50lites...hardly enough. Any suggestions where I can get a bigger
tank?
Fire extinguisher,
first aid kit and tyre repair equipment are part of the shopping list. Thank you.
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Follow Up By: Stu050 - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 23:39
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 23:39
JackMack,
Have a look at the Long
Ranger website posted by marq, for an 81L auxiliary
tank.
Probably nowhere near big enough for the CSR, but supplemented with a few jerry cans......
The only other alternative is to get one custom built from a sheet metal manufacturer. :(
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Follow Up By: Andrew from Vivid Adventures - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 21:34
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 21:34
If the longranger guys don't do a bigger one, it is because it is too hard to make it fit...
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:59
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:59
Do you have traction control?
If you do, I doubt you need an air locker.
There are pro & cons, but check with ARB, you may need to turn off the traction control to turn on the air locker.
I think I would be trying it out first on a few short trips around home to see if air locker required. Assume you would be testing locally to test the vehicle and for you to get to know how it handles before a long trip anyway.
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:15
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:15
John, Checked with Foubys at Moorooka about the air locker issue. They said I probably don't need one as the traction control should do the trick. I will try some local off roading before I go further on this. Thank you.
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Reply By: marq - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:22
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:22
I have a Pajero NP DiD - just been over Simpson,
Cape York, Penty,
Gibb River Road.
I assume it's an Auto - Note you will have to drive in 4th all the time due to the oversize tyres, otherwise you will burn your ATF. I have GY Silent Armour - check out this post to see the condition of the tyres after:
http://140.99.20.180/forum/showthread.php?t=546
I do not recommend towing anything if your using oversize tyres.
I recommend:
- 2" to 3" Lift (King or Lovell Springs) $550 with fitting
- Bilstein Shocks $900
- LRA 60L Aux fuel
tank
- Rhino rack + alloy tray (I have the size you are looking at - make sure they use large rivits otherwise the rack mounts will become loose.
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Snorkel brand up to you.
- Cargo barrier if you carrying kids or carrying gear above chest height in the back.
- 80Ah dual battery system.
- GME or ICOM CB (mounted or portable)
- Sat phone
- GPS with Shonkymaps or T4A
- NO SPOT LIGHTS unless you driving at night
- Bullbar is up to you (steel or plastic -I have the smartbar which is much lighter)
- If you have traction control, you do not need the lockers (unless your planning to drive in mud or wet slops for extended distances), your better off reduce tyre pressures right down...
With the gear on with oversize tyres budget on 550 to 650km per 100 Litres, not towing with the DiD.
I had a roo hit me at 10am in the morning - the 5-6' red roo ran into the side of the vehicle at near full pace just past a
cattle grid (dented the drivers door which had to be be replaced)
The Aux fuel
tank protected the rear bumper - with the 2" lift (which becomes 1" lift with all the gear) I lightly dented the aux fuel
tank due when it hit the sand (on QAA line).
I would not get sucked into all the crap that 4wd
places try to sell you and cooper tyres.
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Follow Up By: marq - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:31
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:31
NOTE:
With the gear on with oversize tyres budget on 550 to 650km per 100 Litres, not towing with the DiD.
I mean this mileage all the time (including normal dirt roads and blacktop).
Simpson - 700km (odd) I used 110L of diesel. (W to E, French/WAA/French/QAA) - had 90L
water, 170L diesel (80L aux
tank) - total weight about 750-800kg including Me and the Miss.
DO NOT put more than 65kg on the roof rack (ie Spare + 2 king single 10mm thick self-infate matresses and Oztrail Tourer 9Plus canvas in bag)
CSR I would expect similar usage of fuel as the
Simpson desert.
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Follow Up By: marq - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:37
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:37
Fire extinguisher and comprehensive
first aid kit (forgot)
Recommended by others - CSR you will need a 5L pumpup
water bottle with flexible hose/spray - the powder extinguishers do not work very
well on the side/upside down.
I missed the CSR this season.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 20:06
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 20:06
matq ,what do you mean by over size tyres.
Mine is a NP and it came with 265 x 65 17" and I'm thinking A/T 265 x 70 17" when these tyres are R/S.
In your inpion is that a over size tyre.
Don't want to stuff anything up by choosing the wrong rubber.
Or are you talken bigger tyres than 265 x 70
Cheers Scoof.. :-)
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Follow Up By: marq - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 21:28
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 21:28
265/75/16 is oversize for a 16" (normally 265/70/16)
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:32
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:32
Marq,
Good point on the tyre size, I didn't think of the extra fuel consumtiopn. The 265/75 is a light truck tyre and a lot stronger as opposed to the 265/70, so will have to think that one through. Toughness versus fuel consumption.
Where di you buy the 80ltr aux fuel
tank?
Thanks for your feedback...much appreciated.
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Follow Up By: marq - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:47
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:47
LRA
http://www.longrangeautomotive.com.au/vehicles/mitsubishi.html
If your with the Pajero club you can get a discount.
You will find 80L will not fit on the Exceed due to the 2nd air-con - but there is a 60L.
I believe if you do not drive like an idiot, keep the pressures down then 265/70R16 passenger construction should be fine (which is what I am installing next - just waiting for the 265/75R16 to wear out in 15,000km time). Another option is 245/75R16LT which is about the same size as 265/70R16 but thinner.
I am tossing up between the BFG ATKO and D694.
265/75R16 feel like you are towing a 1Ton trailer all the time.
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:04
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:04
Thanks for the info on the tyre sizes...I was just about to go ahead with the larger size but now the 265/70's will be just fine. Bob Jane Chermside told me that the BFG's are hard to balance and as the Pajero steering is sensitive it does not make for a good combination. They suggested the Goodyear Silent Armour, But I see you are considering changing these. Is that because they don't come in the smaller size or you want to change brands? The news I get here is that the Coopers ATR are the way to go.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gavin B (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:27
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:27
Gents FYI BFG make the 265/70 R16 in Light Truck spec.
I would suggest that with the travel you are planning on doing, the LT spec tyre would be a more suitable choice.
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Follow Up By: marq - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 16:11
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 16:11
The GY Silent Armours wonder all over the road - so go figure. I you say they make more money out of the Coopers and GY's.
Do any mobs supply a 14 or 30 day money back or swap?
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 17:02
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 17:02
I wish...just had a call from a mate and he fitted Maxxis AT's. He said it was too early to tell me what they are like. I will post a trhread on this
forum and ask about them.
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Reply By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 19:07
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 19:07
Hi jackMack,
I crossed the Simpson with 2 other guy's and their families we all towed campers.2 Pajero's 1 NP and 1 NM and 2004 Prado.All of us had no
suspension mods at all.But we had other mods like daul battery's and a couple other things.
We made it across without one of us getting bogged but it had rained about week before we left so the sand was quite firm underneath.
Since then we have fitted polyair's, long range fuel
tank.I plan on fitting a lift kit when I can see my way clear and some A/T tyres as
well.
Scoof
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 20:20
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 20:20
Hey scoof,
Reading your posting, i take it you crossed the
Simpson Desert with the stock tyres? Wow ;-)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 20:46
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 20:46
Hi Andrew ,
Yes all of us had standard tyres,not blowing our bags but we have done a lot of sand driving.
We all had our tyre pressures around 18 PSI and a little less on the trailers.
The 2 guy's we travelled with were both born and bred on a farm with thousands of acres of sand.
When growing up they had 2wd drive old cars (FC-FB Holdens) and know how to handle the sand.They tell some great story's around the
camp fire about spot lighting and driving around the farm.
We all couldn't believe how easy it really was but the sand was moist when you dug down a bit.So I think it was ideal conditions as
well.
Cheers Scoof..
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Follow Up By: marq - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 21:27
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 21:27
I would use 14psi on QAA with the soft sand.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:03
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:03
marq : when we have gone below 16 PSI we have rolled a tyre of the rim but if we stay 16PSI and above have never rolled a tyre of the rim.
Have you ever rolled a tyre of the rim at 14 PSI.
We would go down lower if we were having trouble but as a rule only go as far as 16 PSI.
Regards Scoof.. :-)
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Follow Up By: marq - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:35
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:35
I have run down to 12psi without problems.
I ran 14psi over the Simpson,
Stockton, 80 Mile Beach, etc without problems - but I did not drive like an idiot.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 23:17
Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 23:17
marq
You must be one smooth customer.
I don't drive like I stole the car either but have had one let go at about 14 PSI so I don't go there if I don't have to.
Happy 4 wheeling.
Scoof .. :-)
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Reply By: Toms - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 19:47
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 19:47
I have an NP DID 2004 and use 265/75/16 BFG tyres and have an OME
suspension upgrade. Have been everywhere with an offroad caravan and
Cape York tenting it. No trouble with the tyres (Bob Jane fit and service my tyres), never drive the auto in 4th gear unless headwinds, and no ATF problems. Average 6.5kms/l towing and 8 -10 not towing. With the roofrack off on a country trip I can get over 10. The "oversize" tyres in fact give me more accurate odometer and speedo readings than the OE size tyres and there's still bags of acceleration and power.
I don't know how you can get an 80 a/hr second battery under the bonnet - an ARB dual battery install will only fit about a 50 a/hr which I find is enough anyway but I also carry a solar panel.
An auxilliary
tank is an expensive way to carry extra fuel. I carry 2 x 20l containers and hardly ever need them - including
Cape York. However
Simpson Desert is a problem. I did look at a 60l aux
tank but it seemed to hang pretty low at the back.
A steel sump guard from TJM for about $200 is a good investment for
Cape York, also cargo barrier and
snorkel.
Whilst air lockers would be the ultimate traction aid, the traction control works fine.
Happy travelling.
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Follow Up By: marq - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:25
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:25
I have no doubt that if I lost the roof-rack and the load that the fuel eff. would inprove (maybe the 5th would stay locked)
But when your touring around Australia - you will be doing
well over 40,000km. I must admit I wish I had the protection plates in a few spots like OTL (QLD) and
Finke River George (NT) tracks, had to be very careful not to damage the underframe.
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Follow Up By: marq - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:29
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:29
Also I have already destoryed two batteries on the bad dirt roads (both $$ sealed LA). It pays to check the heat of the battery if your travelling dirt roads at the end of each day, if you can't touch it then toss it on
the spot...
I saw a number of dead/exploded batteries on some of the worst dirt roads you can go on...
Pays to replace any older batteries if your going to tour.
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:55
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:55
Tom,
Have you lost any power with the larger tyres? Obviously it hasent affected your fuel consumption at all, lucky to get 12 ltrs per 100klms around town with my Paj in standard form.
Crossing the Simpson loaded to the hilt and getting 700klm with 110ltrs is what I would consider very good considering the conditions. See Marqs notes above.
I will put on a steel sump guard and the
snorkel is part of the package options being fitted.
Thanks for your comments and I would apprecaited anything else you have to offer in the way of advice.
Jack
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:57
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:57
Tom,
Have you lost any power with the larger tyres? Obviously it hasent affected your fuel consumption at all, lucky to get 12 ltrs per 100klms around town with my Paj in standard form.
Crossing the Simpson loaded to the hilt and getting 700klm with 110ltrs is what I would consider very good considering the conditions. See Marqs notes above.
I will put on a steel sump guard and the
snorkel is part of the package options being fitted.
Thanks for your comments and I would apprecaited anything else you have to offer in the way of advice.
Jack
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:58
Tuesday, Oct 30, 2007 at 20:58
Whoops...don't hit the submit button twice...need an L plate
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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 08:47
Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 08:47
Hi Tom,
I don't think the Simpson would be a big problem with a DiD Pajero we did the Simpson Dessert in 2005 towing campers and I'm not sure but I think the deisel paj did it easy by memory I recon he only put about 20 litres in while we were in the Desert.
We all fueled up at Mt Dare and traveled the
Rig Road.My petrol paj used around 150 litres from memory.
The DiD was so good on fuel when towing.
Also Tom the aux fuel tank does hang down a bit but so far the tow bar still hit's before the aux tank does. I see you have 16" rim's
mine has 17" rims and I don't have as many choices as you.Maybe in the future 17" may catch up.
Cheers Scoof
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Follow Up By: Toms - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 12:14
Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 12:14
Hi Jack
I haven't noticed any significant power loss with the larger tyres but logically there would be some.
One thing about the stability control. Often in loose sand in high range the stability control will kick in (it thinks you're in a wild slide) and engine power is cut. This causes loss of momentum and next thing you are bogged. So turn it off before you plow through loose sand or up a
sand dune. It turns off automatically when in low range.
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 13:03
Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 at 13:03
Tom,
I spent a week at
Moreton Island in the sand last March. I had standard road tyres that coped very
well and I ran then at 20psi. I also found that often the traction control would cut in and momentum would be lost. I found that by turning off the traction control I had better overall success.
Thanks for the info on the tyres.
Jack
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Follow Up By: wdric - Sunday, Nov 25, 2007 at 14:27
Sunday, Nov 25, 2007 at 14:27
Hi jack
Here is a picture of a pajero tank.
AS you can see the clearance for gerneral touring is fine and the little upswept corners and a little to the design and better than square corners hanging down.
http://www.thelongranger.com.au/pajerolongrangefueltank.html
The vehicle as you see it is loaded for a family of 4 (me & 3 girls) on a recent trip through the simpson (
rig road @
easter), fink, alice,
the rock & the anne beadel hwy.
2002 NM
OME
suspension
BFG tyres
Carried no xtra fuel other than twin tanks.
I carried a spare battery for emergancies only (sealed optima) and lived in the area where the rear
seat normally goes.
As we were on a driving holiday, we don't stop in one place more than a couple of nights, so little chance of the battery going flat, But had the piece of mind knowing there was one tucked away should it the it not turn over one morning.
Carried 2x10lt water containers plus several 1 & 2lt bottles under seats and in a few other nooks & crany's, you would be suprised how much water you can carry in a few smaller containers rather than a couple of big bulky ones. THis also helps keep some of the wieght in front of the rear axle
I am biased about the tank as it is my vehicle and design :)
PS: not sure if this image upload will work from H/Disk
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Follow Up By: wdric - Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:20
Monday, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:20
Here is that
pic
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 23:04
Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 23:04
Hi wdric,
Thank you for the
pic...I can see the tank and it looks
well out of the way of danger for most purposes.
My Pajero is in getting all my upgrades at the moment...took it on Monday and hopefully it will be ready tomorrow. The following is being done:
- Cooper ATR 265/75/16 x 5
- Airtec
snorkel
- ARB steel bull bar - cutting holes in the bar to fit the Exceed
driving lights also modifying the water bottle so everything fits
- Light Force 170ml Strikers x 2
- TJM steel sump and gearbox protection plate
- Uniden
UHF radio
- Piranha second battery set up
- King Springs 50ml lift and Bilstein shocks
That will do for the moment. Rhino rack on the way. Also looking at a steel bar that fits neatly under the rear bumper to protect the rear.
I will try and post a
pic when done...going up Mt Mee on the weekend to enjoy the upgrade.
All the best.
Jack
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Follow Up By: JackMack - Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 23:10
Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 at 23:10
Forgot to ask. How does the Rhino Luggage pod go on the rough roads and corrugations? It may be another option for me.
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Follow Up By: wdric - Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:59
Wednesday, Nov 28, 2007 at 06:59
I does the job for having more room, we had the swags in there.
But this is an older model and it doesn't have enough support so the constant up and down movement has caused some cracks around the base mountings.
I think the newer versions do have this.
Even though it has some short comings it is easily fixed with some aluminium glued either side to spead the load, I consider this still a good option as it is a light water proof and reasonable dust proof alternative for storage of light weight items on the roof.
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