Telstra launches Next G phones specifically for country users

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 16:56
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The Telstra/ZTE 165 has pull-out antenna, rubber coating, dust-shock-liquid proof, speakerphone, Bluetooth, Dual camera design for video calling. UMTS 850/2100. GSM 900/1800/1900, 250 Hrs Standby, 390 Mins Talk Time, Internal display 176 x 220, Car kit (Model CK165) will be available in the market in November.

http://www.zte.com.au/main/F165.htm

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1709739330;fp;4;fpid;772452

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Reply By: Member - John - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:40

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:40
Mike, any rough idea on price, to buy outright? Thanks in advance. John
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Reply By: Garbutt - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:53

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:53
I did a google on it and found it advertised for $449

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Follow Up By: Garbutt - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:57

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 17:57
Sorry, here

http://www.mobilenetwork.com.au/products/product.asp?id=367&model=165&productfilter=NEW
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:04

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:04
GB, thanks for that. John
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:29

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:29
Can ya use it for straight voice communication???
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Reply By: Member - Kevin J (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:54

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:54
Two months ago I changed over to Next G with the LG 550 which I was told was the wizz bang unit for remote area useage. In actual fact it is about as useful as the proverbial. Two months in the west - Charleville/Augathella and I would have been as well off using my old CDMA or smoke signals. The coverage is absolutely RS and what Telstra is calling service is a joke. They changed one property to Next G and left with the assurance that they would be back. 5 weeks and no show but the entire system was off air more than on. Did not mention that the fax machine could not communicate with CDMA faxes. Did not mention that the radiophone system could only do half of what it had been doing. Did not metion that the standby batteries last only two hours with the power off and one loghtening strike while we were there took out the power for 24 hours.
I'm a shareholder but someone in the loop needs a swift kick in the transmission and no bonus.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:35

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:35
Kevin, My thoughts as well, It's a big bloody con!!.

Useless network.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Ken - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:39

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:39
Kevin, an interesting anti Telstra rant but what has is got to do with a) the new phone; b0 the LG 550 ??
Much of your tirade seems to be about a radiophone system replacement and an unfortunate experience with lightning.
It may be good fun to knock Telstra but who else is providing anything in the areas outside the cities.
Ken
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 20:18

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 20:18
I used my jasjam with patch lead in the area you speak of Kevin, back in about July and found it fabulous considering where we were. All up and down the East Coast, I seem to get great coverage, even as far west as Emerald, Roma and Goondiwindi (I know, that's not west but still....) I could not be happier.....unless I had a jasjam that worked again as this one has just disintergrated after it's premature swim in the pool the second day I owned it. I will definately go NextG when this phone is replaced.

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Follow Up By: Ray - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:32

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:32
West .s Western Australia. I even wonder why that football club cal their selves The Western Bulldogs
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:02

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:02
Some discussion on the ZTE (Telstra) 165 on this Whirlpool thread:
Whirlpool Thread

Not much info there yet, but likely to develop over the next few days.

I'm certainly interested in this phone, but a bit suspicious of the ZTE build quality.

Interested in some user feedback when it is available.
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Follow Up By: stocky - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 21:08

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 21:08
it *looks* a better build than the earlier ZTE's

Time will tell!
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 20:10

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 20:10
Mike we recently had 2 Telstra Techs at our Bushfire Regional meeting to discuss our communication problems. We looked at the new ZTE phone that you describe. It's quite bulky compared with most common mobiles and a lot heavier. The techs said the phone has been designed for marginal coverage areas and trades persons. Looked ok. The guys also said that Nokia will be bringing out a similar coverage phone in the next weeks.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 23:20

Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 23:20
Doesn't look too bulky!

Size: 117mm x 51mm x 16mm
Weight: 105.3g (including 1300mAh battery)
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Follow Up By: Member - David B (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 14:07

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 14:07
Dunc, i herd the same thing, Nokia with a proper car kit.
Thats what i'm waiting for to replace my Nokia CDMA.

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 01:01

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 01:01
Yep next G real winner
My Next G phone roams to gsm when in my room because it has better signal
time and time again no matter where i am I am convinced it is MAYBE marginally better than gsm but notwithin Cooee of CDMA.
As for ZTE dont waste your money My Partner made that mistake and telstra wont even give her a replacement phone to send it back.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 14:31

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 14:31
Dave my old Next G phone was a ZTE a complete piece of $$$$$. Best thing that ever happened when it got stolen out of my car.
According to the Techs the previous problems with the original Telstra ZTE phones have been resolved. The car kits will continue to be hopeless and requiring you to have 3 hands to put the phone in the cradel plug in the lead into the bottom of the phone and then close the locking clamp.
Time will tell
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:36

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:36
Until they stop being made in china coming from the same place that paints mattell toys, supplies bead toys to the australian market and probably are saftey officials for the local minesite
You would be best to spend your money on a different brand of handset
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:41

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:41
The local paper had a full-page Ad today "Upgrade from CDMA to Next G and receive $100 credit on your bill"

- Only for current customers terminating their post-paid CDMA service.
- Offer ends 13/11/07.

I reckon there'll be even better sweeteners after the Christmas rush is over !
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 13:18

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 13:18
I am starting to wonder if a lot of the reported Next G issues aren't handset related..? I have been seeing some aweful handsets of late, built on appearance 1st , reception last.. I must say my Imate JasJam with Next G service has been brilliant , but there seem to be a selection of handsets that would do nothing to assist in the reception stakes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 13:36

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 13:36
The fact that Telstra has had to introduce a "Blue tick" rating scheme supports your view.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:42

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:42
My experience with Next G tu500 indicates it has areception range of around 10km Obviosly it varies -If on a hill it stretches out a bit and ca be as low a only a few km there canbe no question it does not live up to what we have been told.
With just a plain jane handset on flat ground have achieved 70km reception range from CDMA and usually got 30km
Next G would never touch that
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:46

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:46
Well Davoe, Go Figure, I achieved reception 120KM's off shore in a boat with my Imate Jasjam running Next G, gotta be impressed with that, certainly I was as I exceeded the CDMA coverage listed in that area by Telstra.
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Follow Up By: madCrow - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 19:22

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 19:22
TerraFirma,
120k's @ sea is pretty impressive for NextG.

One of the reasons I went for CDMA years ago was it's line of sight coverage, 160k's @ sea, which is pretty impressive.

The coverage data etc. for CDMA's is available on the web.

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Follow Up By: stocky - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:21

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:21
got clients with TU550 ON LAND getting 114km

same with NextG Broadband @ 2.5Mbps

its all down to the equipment & antenna's........
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 00:40

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 00:40
Unless the 550 is 1000% better at reception than the 500 i gotta call BS
at work i am less than 6km from the tower and reception is patchy eg unreliable in my room and cuts out in some areas of camp.
Same as last place i worked probably 1km from the tower and in my room 1 or 2 bars
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Follow Up By: stocky - Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 08:10

Friday, Nov 09, 2007 at 08:10
Maybe a dud handset - at least 1/2 dozen guys at this site with TU550's and 2 different BP Nextg modems...

Another site nearby (90km from tower) - same gear same results

Sorry - no BS

BTW - traditional aluminium clad camp "huts" make great faraday cages! LOL
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:59

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 16:59
Next G handset dealer headacheFont Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Chris Jenkins and Michael Sainsbury | April 24, 2007
HANDSETS have emerged as the biggest headache for Telstra's Next G network.

Customers are being turned off by regular breakdowns to Telstra's own-brand phone, a shortage of alternatives, and an absence of big-name choices.
The Telstra handset, made by Chinese vendor ZTE, is the cheapest in the telco's range.

"There have been many returns, and we're not recommending the phone," one dealer said.

However, the dealer said, Telstra shops were still pushing the ZTE because Telstra "makes high margins" on it. Coverage has improved, but call centre staff report that this remains an issue for Telstra, which is planning to close its regional CDMA network in January and move the CDMA customer base to Next G.

"The quality of handsets is not good enough," a Queensland dealer said. "The technology is fantastic, but the handsets aren't up there yet."

The Australian understands there have been many complaints about the ZTE 850.

"I try not to sell them," one dealer said. The phone was particularly unsuitable for work use.

There was also no warranty support in Australia for it and faulty handsets were simply replaced with a new unit, he said.

However, replacement could take up to three weeks.

The ZTE 850 is being replaced by the ZTE 252, which is only now flowing into the dealer channel.

The LG TU 500 is also said to suffer inconsistent quality.

However, that model is scheduled for a move to prepaid, to be replaced by the supposedly more rugged TU550 in the post-paid lineup.

"There are some handsets, such as the Samsung and Motorola, that we don't seem to be having problems with, but they don't have the external antenna on the car kit," a regional dealer said. Sales of Next G are steady according to dealers, although they have slowed since the first huge marketing push.

One of the key problems for Telstra is the lack of available handsets from Nokia, the dominant player in Australia, and Sony Ericsson.

Many rural users are loyal to Nokia's CDMA handsets, but none is available at present. Its 6120 model would be available early in second half of the year, Nokia Australia chief Shaun Colligan said. "It will be available for all operators on 850MHz and 2100MHz," Mr Colligan said.

"We're looking at making about four or five devices available for Next G towards the end of the year, including a high-end phone in the N series."

The deadlock between Telstra and Nokia over wholesale arrangements has done little to help dealers. Telstra and Nokia were "as arrogant as each other", one said. The monopoly that wholesale distributor Brightstar has over Next G handsets has long been a sore point for Telstra dealers outside the Telstra Shop retail chain.

An LG TU 500 retailed in Telstra Shops for about $500 is reportedly being wholesaled to other dealers at $489.

"I can't sell it at $500 and stay in business," one dealer said. Earlier this year, Telstra was reportedly giving its own shops better wholesale prices than its third-party dealers.

Some dealers have complained that stock has arrived too late to support CDMA conversion promotions run by Telstra Country Wide. Another problem is the shift of 1.6 million CMDA customers to Next G.

Telstra is not the only network with problems. On the weekend, the Optus mobile networks in Melbourne fell over.

Optus has blamed an equipment failure for a network outage that left 2G and 3G mobile customers in Melbourne without service on Saturday night. The outage began at 11pm on Saturday and continued until 9am the next day.

The problem meant Optus mobile customers could not make or receive voice calls or use SMS in area radiating 15km from the Melbourne CBD, an Optus spokeswoman said. "The outage was the result of a vendor-related hardware fault," she said.

Nokia Siemens Networks is the major supplier to Optus, but the telco declined to name the supplier of the equipment that failed.

"We regret the inconvenience to our customers and people trying to contact our customers," the spokeswoman said.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:42

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:42
When are they gunna produce a solid phone that doesn't require me to grind the sides of my index finger off on the bench grinder in order to stop me pushing 2 (or even 3) buttons all at the same time? ;-))
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:44

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:44
BTW, I don't it to be a camera, video, diary, internet connection etc......all it's gotta be able to do is MAKE BLOODY PHONE CALLS!!!! (I know, I know.....I'm not being realistic in my request)......
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:46

Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 22:46
Geez, do they make phone calls as well ?????

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