Recommend a family caravan &/or 4WD?

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My husband and I are planning to travel around Australia next year with our 9 year old twin daughters for 6-12mths. We have never been caravanning before and are a bit unsure what would be the best type of van for our trip. We have looked at the Windsor Rapids and like those but are a bit unsure about the comfort of the beds. We also like the Windsor Genesis with the drop down double bed. The Genesis seemed to have lots of cupboard space and a larger fridge which was a plus but the Rapid we like is the one with cupboards down one side of the van so that also has quite a bit of storage.

We have decided not to get one with the shower & toilet (to save money) but would an external shower be a good idea? We would like to try and use the free overnight camp spots but do external showers actually get used then? Should we spend the extra money for a shower/toilet?

If anyone also as any advice on a reliable & comfortable 4WD that would be appreciated. Petrol or diesel? I know diesel is supposed to better for towing and fuel but they are also more expensive to service & if something goes wrong they can cost alot to fix. I've also heard they are noisier to drive than petrol.

I hope someone can help & thank you in advance for any advice.

Leanne
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Reply By: 96 GXL 80 series - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:22

Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 21:22
With your young Daughters, I would recommend the built in shower / toilet as it is private and great for storage while travelling, just put what ever in there and pack towel around them.

like your telly / microwave etc.

Re the 4WD, I would go to a few car yards and test drive a few and try to get to a caravan / camping show and have a look.

Even go to a popular tourist caravan park and go for walk and talk to people that are travelling and get ideas from them.

A lot of it will be your choice but have a look around first.

Even hire a caravan, make and model if you can that is of interest for a few days and see if it is what you want.
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Follow Up By: leeb1973 - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:59

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:59
Thanks for your reply.

We would like to hire a caravan but so far can't find anyone in SA that still does that. Instead we are thinking of staying in an on-site van in a caravan park. We won't be able to tow it but at least we can see if we like staying in a caravan :)

Re the shower/toilet I'm still unsure on this but I think staying in an on-site van will give us an idea if we really need our own or are happy to use the caravan park's facilities. It's just that we would like to stay in the "free" camp sites when we can but I don't relish the idea of not being able to shower, especially if its hot weather. Maybe the next best thing is getting a portable shower with tent? I've seen these at Ray's Outdoors & they don't seem too bad or too expensive.

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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 16:22

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 16:22
Leeb

Shower tents work well. The trick is to soap up with water in a bucket and face washer and just using the portable shower for rinsing off.

We originally ordered our van with an external shower and extra water tanks. The quoted price was nearly $3K (included the hot water system.) That was the first delete from the original quote.

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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 22:32

Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 22:32
Hi Leanne, what sort of money are looking at spending on the vehicle ?? new/used, auto/manual as preference. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: leeb1973 - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:51

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:51
Our budget is preferably $30,000 but can go to a max of $40,000. We are aware that we will probably have to add things to the vehicle like tow bars, spare batteries, roof rack, & other things my husband has told me but I forget at the moment!! We have had our current car for almost 10 years & its been great (a VS Berlina) & we want to be able to keep the next car for at least 10 years as well regardless of the trip so it needs to be a good "around town" car as well as being comfortable & reliable for travelling around Australia.

It will have to be used (due to budget) and we prefer auto but if its manual and the gear changing is smooth we certainly wouldn't rule it out. Because we want it to last we would want it to have low km's (preferably under 60,000km) - the Berlina only has 109,000 so I don't see the use in "upgrading" & then getting something with lots of km's :)
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Reply By: Newbiesb - Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 22:47

Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 at 22:47
hi Leanne, I'm looking at doing the same as you with slightly older kids. We too loooked at the Rapid, but notices gaps between the canvas and van where i've heard a lot of people experience insect infestation. You need to decide if you're doing any off road before buying a van, and the Rapid isn't really designed for off road, from the feedback i've recieved. We've narrowed our choice down to either a Goldstream Storm off road or a Coromal pioneer Silhouette.

Look at a lot of vans, but remember, the heavier it is the more fuel you'll use towing it. We will buy a Turbo diesel for a bit more grunt, plus, after talking to a lot of travellers, most 'bush' mechanics know how to repair them and better economy on fuel. They do tend to be a bit noisier.

Re the shower, a cheaper option thaan a built in' outside shower is a portable coleman shower unit and pop up shower tent, as well as a porta potti. You can set them up outside the van leaving the inside space for living, particularly in bad weather.

If you have concerns re the fridge you can invest in a 3 way portable like Waeco of Engel fridge. It can stay in the $wd for accessible lunches or as a 'drinkie' fridge.

If this is your first venture into camping, i'd probably rent a couple of vans to try before you buy. It will give you an idea what you do and don't want. Also, look at second hand. Their more affordable, and if you get half way and decide you don't like your set up, you can then trade in on a different model without losing much on the purchase price.

Re the $WD, tou need to decide how large a van you want before investing in the car as the weight of the van will rule out some vehicles. Budget is always a consideration too. You may consider dual cab 4wd too with a conopy on the back to store the extra items, like spare parts for van and tow vehicle eg fan belts, wheel bearings etc; the portable fridge, extra 12V battery, outdoor furniture etc etc. Half the fun is the research before. We are yet to do the trip but my parents are grey nomads, and we live through them and their experiences at the moment. We are also seasoned campers, so a pop top van will be a luxury to us.

Hope this is some helps
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Follow Up By: Member - Terry G (NSW) - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 12:20

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 12:20
Newbiesb
Have you actually seen these multiple insect infestations? I have spoken to lots of people with the Windsor Rapid and have never heard of the problem. In fact I have never met an owner who wasn't really happy with the overall product. I think we should really restrict our advice in replying to questions such as these to our own experience. Otherwise the forum can become a home for urban myths. If however, you have personal knowledge of these infestations, tell us more about them and why the usual remedies wouldn't work.

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Follow Up By: leeb1973 - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 15:01

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 15:01
Thank you for your reply.

I agree with your concerns re the insects getting into the Rapid but I've heard you can put a bit of foam in the corners to stop them getting in. A camper trailer isn't really what we want because we want the extra storage & the convenience of a caravan (ie quick set up). I have heard a bit about the Duet but haven't seen any here in SA so its a bit hard to compare those to the Rapid.

The portable fridge is definitely something we will be getting. What size do you use? We are thinking the fridge/freezer is the better option. We've looked at the dual cab 4wd but think it won't be too comfortable for the girls sitting on the back seats but the extra space to store spare etc is a concern. We would love a Landcruiser, as its one of the bigger 4wd's, but it will also be the family car so don't want to feel like up driving a massive vehicle to take the girls to school etc. We haven't actually test driven any 4wd's yet, that will be in the next few weeks, so we are still in the research stage.

Thanks again for your thoughts.
Leanne
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Follow Up By: Newbiesb - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 18:01

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 18:01
Tessa,

My parents own a caravan park so I get to talk to people about their cvans downfalls all the time. The 'ususal' remedies can work, however, in my opinion, a van should be designed and manufactured to keep out all the flying insects that are Rife in Oz.

Leanne, the Goldstreams aren't a camper trailer, but a pop top trailer. These set up quickly. They certainly don't suit everyone, but we feel their sturdy construction, design to keep 'bulldust' out, light interior and head room suit our circumstances. As I said, it all depends how much off road you want to do as to whether the more well known brands will suit. A lot don't hold up to the corrucgated roads. Check with the warranty to see how far it will cover, particularly with dirt road driving.

Regards

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Reply By: Smudger - Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:30

Monday, Nov 19, 2007 at 11:30
G'day Leanne,
You won't travel too far on the beaten track without seeing a shower and toilet facility. But if you spend most nights in 'freebies', then you may appreciate having on-board facilities, especially with little girls. We're campers, with 3 boys and they were quite happy to not shower for days on end. On the other hand, you'll also find that preserving water will become an issue when you get out there. These days we have a CT and "showers" are car sponges & a small bucket of hot water, standing in a blow-up paddle pool inside the tent. A lot of caravaners we've met don't have on-board showers, but use seperate tents and all sorts of different equipment. My favorite is the Hills Spraygen pump-up garden spray, with a shower nozzle. What's a "freebie"?, I hear you say. Free overnite caravan site, where the hords herd in the late afternoon. Essential equipment includes a copy of "Camps Australia 4", it has virtually every caravan and camp site across the country with a rating system, including freebies. "Camps" has become the travellers bible. It'll even tell you where to find a shower.
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