Taking the dogs? Opinions please

Second to support – way too much nuisance.

Cheers
Serg

Hi
these are a two Web pages that have all the places you can stay with dogs


Place to stay with your Dog

http://www.k9.bounceme.net/

PS Our dogs are part of our family, would you leave your kids behind?

Are your kids animals? Or probably you are parents of your dogs?

Other way around - would you allow to cut out your kidney to safe your dog life? How about your kid's life?

I am sick of this cliche "Dogs are part of our family".

Yep, I do have a dog and only way I will bring him with us is to have my children come with us rather then they staying home with dog. Never other way around.

Serg

Serg,

Forget about your kidneys, I think you need to get the chit off your liver first.

Jimbo,

I have not got what do you mean. Would you like to explain, please :-)

Serg.

My little dog was very much part of my family; I’d have killed anyone who deliberately hurt her just as I would if anyone hurt my children.

Give her a kidney? Probably. She gave me one hell of a lot during her life.

Mike Harding

At least dogs don't ride mini-bikes!

Mike Harding,

I still not convinced and recon all of you “Dog is part of my family” camp lying to yourself. May I ask you this question – will you allow your son to willingly risk his life in attempt to save his sister from say fire? How about him risks his life to safe a dog (or even the dog)? First action would be called brave while second stupid.

IMHO it is ridiculous put a dog - even very much beloved pet, but still just an animal - on the same level as member of your family.


Serg

Love is where we find it Serg. If you cannot feel it for an animal perhaps you need to ask yourself why that is?

>just an animal

An animal to you perhaps but a sensitive, loyal and caring friend to me.

People don't have a monopoly on feeling - many animals exhibit emotional traits.

Mike Harding

Mike,

You, as many “Dog is part of my family” camp making huge mistake. Dogs very selfish creatures, they cannot love and do not show loyalty to anyone. They just animals. They do not understand morale and what is good and what is bad. They never can be teach do not pinch cats food by talking to them about “it is immoral” or “it is bad for your health”, because this is their nature – pinch food whenever they can.
What seems to you loyalty, friendship and love, from dog’s point of view no more then proper hierarchy in herd he belongs to (i.e. your family). He does not love you, but obey and adore you just because you staying higher on hierarchy stairs then him. If treated properly from pappyhood, dog will properly learn that you are master and must be obeyed, thus becoming good companion – cheerful and playful. If treated improperly (i.e. too much “love” leading to allow anything) dog may became a master and it will lead to huge problem especially with big and powerful dogs – they became demanding and obey very poorly. Being in herd and follow hierarchy is dogs nature, their blood and destiny of their lives and it is your responsibility as a dog owner make hierarchy right for dogs own happiness. As one dogs vet told me once “If you like to have a good dog, then treat him … like a dog”. 100% agree.

Cheers
Serg

Serg,

BOLLOCKS

It's hard to believe some of the childish "hair splitting" that goes on in this supposedly adult forum!

Saying a dog is part of the family is understandable, asking if you would send a child into a fire to rescue it is inane.

KSV you are not in tune with your fellow creatures, or you associate with the wrong sort of B I T C H E S. My dog gives me more love than MOST humans can possibly do. You would never understand that sort of bond because you are just a person. A dogs love is unconditional and I have physically emphasised the point that when one of mine has died and some insensitive Pri@k has said "it was just a dog". Get a life KSV, get a dog. No dont, you could never give to a dog, so how can a dog give back to you?

Shaker,
You was not following my logic properly. This is hypothetical example to proof that nonsense “dog is part of my family”

On Patrol,
It is endless and fruitless debate. I do have a dog and he what you would say “loves me unconditionally to the death”. Just get some readings. What I post above is not my invention by any means, but rather conclusion of people who been study dogs behavior and motivation whole their life. If all owners would properly understand dog’s psychology instead of insisting about “love” and “loyalty” and treating them as “part of my family” it would only leads to happier dogs around.

Cheers
Serg

KSV, you should not be allowed to own a dog.

Serg: your logic is flawed and so extreme as to have no useful meaning.

Example: A parent was in the Auschwitz concentration camp and forced to choose which of his two children medical experiments would be conducted upon. If he doesn’t choose all three will be killed – if he chooses X does that mean Y was not part of his family or not loved as much as X?

Examples such as this have no meaning in the normal world and are merely presented in order to try and spuriously win arguments.

Love is just love – either one feels it or one doesn’t. I certainly don’t have a scale of love – he rates a 4 – she rates a 7 – the dog rates a 2… it just isn’t like that, at least, not for me.

Mike Harding

Mike, it is appears like we will not have consensus on this matter. I would say that your logic is flawed because it is impossible to choose what of your kids you love more. But it is *VERY* different love feeling to my kids and to my dog. Does not matter how difficult it is, if required I will betray my dog in favor of my children, but I cannot betray my children because of dog. Dogs actually very right here – there should be strong hierarchy. You can argue that my love to dog not “real” or whatever, but in return I will argue that your parental love not strong enough if you hesitate even split second between dog and your child.

Regards
Sergiy.

Regardless of whether your logic is right or wrong, the fact is there are a great deal of people who love their pets and feel they ARE part of the family.

I'm not sure why this worries you, but kindly suggest you need to get over it.

Cityslicker,

It does not worry me at all even you setup your bed in your dog’s kennel. Or make dog's kennel from your bedroom. I am just curious trying to understand how other people thinking.

Have a lovely day
Serg.

Leave them at home at every opportunity.
And yes i am a dog owner.

Leave them at home at every opportunity.
And yes i am a dog owner.

We don't own animals; we are merely their carers

Serg,

I've spent a few nights in the 'dog house' but thats another story :-)

You may be just 'trying to understand how other people are thinking' but you appear to be doggedly (pun intended) taking the negative side when the original poster was asking for opinions.

G'day Steve,

We've been through the middle with both our Ridgebacks, if they're well behaved, you can leave the dogs out the back of the office of the caravan park at Yulara. (We camped there for two nights though).

I have no problem saying they are both part of our family, would do more to help them than some people out there.

We covered nearly 11,000km on our last trip and didn't have any problems (with places, people or travelling), like you say, there are plenty of dog friendly places out there, just have to make the effort to organise your trip with them in mind.

Regards,

Ross and Jo.

thanks for the tip Rossco - I wasn't aware of that. We did the same at Adel's Grove last year and I think he enjoyed the fuss he got from all the passers by.

I hope they'll extend the same service for us - or maybe they thought you just rode in on horses and put em round the back.

lol

Ours is a Jack Russell. If he'd only keep still they'd probably think he was a toy.

You would be amazed at the number of times we hear that comment, really a couple of softies though...

Good luck with the trip as well.

Ross.

Hi to the castles

Welcome to ExplorOz. Amongst the rubbish from some of the "contributors" on this forum there is also a wealth of information to be gleaned from some very knowledgeable people. Please don't let the minority put you off - I just smile and tell myself that it is a poor reflection of them, not me.

I bought a couple of books from the ExplorOz shop which have been quite useful - "Holidaying with Dogs" and "Bush Camping with Dogs".

Cheers
Mrs Wilgadene

Hi castles,

Just ignore the rude ones and listen to the sensible advice, from both sides of the argument. In the end, you know what you're prepared to put up with. Either way, have a great time. That's what it's all about.

Crackles

It is cheaper to be fined for having a dog in a National Park than leaving it at Kennels at home....:-)))

Cheers

Willem
A valid point mate, kinda like parking fine V Parking station Eh.
Makes sense to me.
Colin

May be cheaper but in the event it gets away it can be both cruel for the dog or the countless native animals it would go on to kill. Have picked up 7 domestic dogs wandering the high country over the years, several in the National Park. No doubt all the owners thought their dogs were under control moments before they started to chase a roo. I'm not sure the cost of a kennel should even come into it.
Cheers Craig..............

What if?


Craig, I am surprised you even leave the house

Cheers

The "dogs wandering the High Country" were most probably hunting hounds.

If one person comes accross 7 dogs lost in the bush then I wonder just how many must be out there? The "what if" may be more common than many think particually by the number of sheep taken around here. After a couple of arrogant resposes I had when returning their pets I doubt I'll be going to as much trouble in the future.

Shaker on 3 occations they were deer hounds but the others were all sorts from a pedegree Dalmation to a little foxy, all tired and hungry & not afraid of strangers at all.

They would quite likely have been 'dumped'.
I live on the edge of the High Country, & it's not uncommon for people to take their dogs on holiday, then find that they aren't allowed into the area where they are going, so they just drive into the bush & dump them!
I have also been involved in saving them & finding a new home.

You have a mind set mate. Dogs, cats and all animals are just part of our natural planet. We humans are far more destructive than any animal except for maybe 1000 feral donkeys in one place at a time.

In my view 1080 bait is the most stupid thing anybody can spread around the place. It kills more than feral animals.

'They' don't allow dogs in National Parks etc but allow humans who pollute the air and landscape, disturb the flora and fauna, defacate everywhere, leave toilet paper lying around, leave rubbish all over the place and generally stuff the whole place up. Management practices of NP's in every state of this country leave a lot to be desired.

Hope you are staying at home, BIGDOG!

Agree Willem,

I remember when I took my dog for a walk (a 300km walk) along the Bibbulmun Track here in WA and I came across a couple, the female half being most (very, very) annoyed with me having my dog with me.

She said, "have you no feelings towards the native animals of the area, the scent of the dog will scare them away."

I thought to myself you s_____ b____ what about your smell, will not that smell scare the animals away too, but I held my tongue.

I said instead that I had Commonweath excemption, and kept on walking.

The poor dog died upon my lap two days later after taking a 1080 bait, but that is another story....

Cheers mate
Alan

QUOTE: "I think one of the great things is that more and more c.p's are adopting the "No Dogs" policy."

Haha ... a friend of mine owns a dog friendly caravan park, when I asked him about his policy, he said that he "would rather people brought their dogs & left their kids at home, at least people train their dogs!"

Dave

You don't really call that thing a dog do you? LOL

Love the pic with her on the dash! Classic.

Ross.

G'day Richard

She has been called all sorts of things mate...lol....you should see her when she is soaking wet , looks like a drowned rat....When the missus first got her i remember saying "what the bloody hell do you want that thing for" now i wouldn't be without her, we used to have German Sheppard's all the time , after having the mini pommeranian, i wouldn't go back to a big dog again.


Ross

I used to carry my tinny on the roof of the Patrol and i think she used to like getting on the dash because of the shade it used to make, as for the hat , the missus put it on her one time and she seemed to like it , so now every time she's up there , the hat goes on ....lol

Cheers.......Dave

Brew

In your Rig Pic

That kids not poohing on lake Gairdner?


LOL