200 series question
Submitted: Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:29
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Member - bill
Dealer has put a power point for fridge in back of L/C 200, only problem is, fridge will only work when motor is going.
When I questioned electrician,he said, I have to install a 3rd battery.
Is there any other way around it? Also where do people put their CB's in this vehicle?
Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 06:51
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 06:51
Hi Bill
See ThreadID: 52583 from last night. You can use your existing battery is you fit a dedicated fridge wire but run time will be quite short depending on your fridge. It is advisable to have a axillary battery. At very least fit a low voltage cut out to keep enough power in the batteries to start the engine.
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Derek
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Reply By: furph - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 06:53
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 06:53
Probably wired it from the power point box in engine bay.
This uaually has 3 terminals (all fused):
Direct from battery
Accessory on (first "click" on ign. sw.)
Engine running
You may have to reconnect at the box.
furph
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Reply By: Member - bill - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 07:08
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 07:08
I would like to thank you both for replying.
I've got a heavy duty wire from battery to VRS, from there to rear of car, heavy wire again,& from there, a dedicated Engel plug, plugs in & screws in.
But fridge will not run on accessories, only goes when motors running.
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:54
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:54
Hi Bill...I may be missing something here or perhaps mis reading but here goes........all the posts previous to
mine are sensible and I agree........but here is my two bobs worth
my reading of your post quote " ...heavy duty wire from battery to VRS..." if you actually mean a VSR...voltage sensitive relay....then these are usually factory set to close when it receives alternator voltage......so in practise they close (connect) when alternator is running and 13.8 V is registered thus power passes through to your fridge.....once engine is off they will open (disconnect) roughly 30 sec to a minute later once the battery voltage drops below charge voltage with the alternator not charging
funny way for them to set up the fridge wiring...but it is protecting your start battery......doesnt keep the beer cold parked though !
Try this method.....A third battery being charged through the VSR ...fridge connected to this with a low voltage cut out to protect the life of the 3rd battery
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Reply By: time waster - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 07:44
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 07:44
Also you may find the wiring they have used will be too thin for the fridge to efficiently.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:09
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:09
Bill,
As others have said, you need heavy wiring to avoid excessive voltage loss. Your fridge should turn itself off if there is insufficient voltage. The fact that it will only run when the engine is running suggests the fridge needs the higher voltage which is available when the alternator (charging) voltage is available. This points to excessive loss in the wiring, though this seems unlikely from what you have said.
I'd check first that you have power at the fridge socket without the engine running - just unplug it and either measure the voltage at the socket, or, better, plug a lamp into the socket and check it lights up. If not, you are drawing power from a switched circuit while it should be from an unswitched one, i.e. direct from the battery.
An auxilliary battery is a good way to go, but if it is a wiring problem, an extra battery won't help much, especially if you continue using the same wiring.
HTH
John
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Reply By: morto1701 - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:02
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:02
Bill
Firstly congratulations on the new vehicle. Mate I might be missing something here but you have not told anyone and they have not asked. I bet this is a diesel and the dealer would be coming from the angle that you need a third battery because the diesel cruisers need 2 cranking batteries if so you need the third battery with an isolator switch. Also is this fitting in the back a straight plug in or screw in? If it is a plug in after a while it will work itself loose. Make sure it is a screw in like the one ARB do.
As for the CB not sure but when I see one I will chck (whenever that will be).
Live Long and Prosper and travel lots!
Morto
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Reply By: Member - bill - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:42
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:42
To all of the above, thanks for your input, I don't think I've asked the correct question to start off with.
I'm satisfied with the wiring size, there is no power at the outlet unless motor is going.
Dealer says the vehicle needs a 3rd battery because the other 2 batteries are for crank batteries only.
The only problem is Toyo have not got the set-up for the 3rd battery under the bonnet as yet.
It is a diesel vehicle.
Would I be able to increase battery size & use 1 battery for cranking only & one for accessories?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 13:21
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 13:21
Bill,
Using one larger N70 cranking battery was the easy solution in the 100series. Many people have done this. You could then isolate the 2nd battery for the fridge.
The V8Td on the 70series vehicles has a single cranking battery.
So I would guess that you could do the same. (I'm guessing because I don't know anyone who's done it to a V8 200series)
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Reply By: Member - Mainey (wa) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 13:56
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 13:56
bill replied:
"Dealer says the vehicle needs a 3rd battery because the other 2 batteries are for crank batteries only"
--> So you do NEED a third battery.
"The only problem is Toyo have not got the set-up for the 3rd battery under the bonnet as yet"
--> So put an AGM DC somewhere near the fridge.
"Would I be able to increase battery size & use 1 battery for cranking only & one for accessories"
--> ASK a TOYOTA dealer about warranty advice first.
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Reply By: david - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 14:20
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 14:20
Hi Bill, I have a LC100 turbo...isolated the 2nd battery for fridges etc., my advice was that 2nd batt was for colder climates where extra cranking power was needed...but there could be warranty issues for you. This set up hasn't given me any problems. The
UHF radio I put in the centre console with an external speaker mounted on ash-tray. (works
well for me, but haven't seen the 200 ser)
Cheers David
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Reply By: mowing - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 20:58
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 20:58
Bill, Congratulations on the purchase. I took a 200 series for a test drive on Friday as my son in law works for a Toyota dealer. 10.3 litres per 100 km (not on this test drive!) Anyway what you need is a third battery in the rear (battery box) with a soleniod between the two engine (cranking batteries). This will let you use a deep cycle battery for the fridge and not run the risk of having two flat cranking batteries. Usual story with haviing a fuse as close to the battery as possible and use heavy duel core wire. The deep cycle battery being isolated will save the cranking batteries.
Take it to ARB or an auto sparky that knows what he is doing when it comes to 4wd accessories. If I wanted a mobile phone charging point I would trust the dealer, however when it comes to fridges for extended stays I would take it to someone who knows what the deal is. Regards
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Kath - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 23:23
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 23:23
10.3 litres per 100 km. One new owner says that is with a coast DOWN Mt Fuji
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Follow Up By: Members - Bow & Nan - Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 at 10:22
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 at 10:22
John
Brisbane to
Sydney my TD 200 returned 9.8 Litres per 100 km
Greg
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Reply By: Gronk - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 21:57
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 21:57
If it's similar to the 100 series, use the second cranking batt as the aux and power the fridge off it !!!!
Of course the dealer powered it whenever the motor was running !!! It was the easy way to do it !!!!
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 22:19
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 22:19
Never get stuff done through a dealer.
We had a work f 350 with a dealer fitted duel battery
all the accessrys worked off the cranking battery and there was no swich to activate the solonoid when flat
DERRRR
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 23:14
Sunday, Dec 16, 2007 at 23:14
While the 200 is under warranty I would definitely get the dealer to do the work. If anything goes wrong there is no third party to blame.
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Reply By: Member - bill - Monday, Dec 17, 2007 at 17:33
Monday, Dec 17, 2007 at 17:33
looks like my options are limited thanks everyone for input
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 at 09:32
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 at 09:32
I split the batteries on my 100 ser with full agreement from the dealer and its still under warranty.
What I did was buy a Redarc From Derek (on here) and wire it up with a relay so that when the key turns to start it hooks both batteries together.
This logically restores it to original albeit briefly.
Only thing you have to do is lengthen the alternator cable to run it to the left hand battery and rmove the strap joining the two positive terminals.
Then run all accessories off the right hand one.
I bought a bus bar and ran a heavy wire to it and all the stuff off the terminals on it.
Dealer assures me that the two battery setup is for cold climate starting but doing the way I did possibly is better.
Also if you buy a Raps 12 (Waeco) the wiring is heavy enuf for the fridge and can be set to run with or without ign on
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Follow Up By: Member - bill - Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 at 19:46
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 at 19:46
Graham, thanks for that info, i'll take it into my dealer tomorrow, to see what he thinks about your info.
I also had l/c 100 series & this years troopie, I had no problems wiring up to these, but this 200 series seems to be a problem.
I took it to ARB but no go there.
regards Bill
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