Dogs in the Simpson

Big dog

who is making it harder?

we travel every where with our Dog except where she not allowed... LOL

Richard

Alan
But must be allowed to travel through them? otherwise how can you travel up the GCR to Alice from Perth?

Cheers

Richard

I concur with Kim . We camped at Dalhousie overnight . Kept Little Bill in the tent and no one even knew he was there . Thats not to say you will be so lucky . Also watch out for dingoes as Kim said , we saw quite a few last year , but no rangers past Dalhousie . Errol

Kim

read the other day, that a couple doing the AB with a small dog nearly lost it to an Eagle, only the dogs instincts saved it..

allway need to be looking after them when out there...

Richard

Jeff and Debbie

Christ I'm getting old. Just re- read your post. Cattle dogs won't be a problem. Just keep them tethered at night.

Have a good trip

Regards

Kim

Sorry Kim but you answered you own follow up you need to hit "Post Reply" not "Post Follow up"

some time you have to learn new things to survive.... LOL

Richard

Richard

Yes that's true. As a boy I saw an Eagle take a small dog.

Regards

Kim

Big Dog

I use the same laws as everyone else, so I think about them before I

drink and drive
speed
not indicate
use the phone whyle driving
don't dip my hi beam
bleep & bleep in the bush
drive the Troopy over weight
could think of many more, but can,t be stuffed... LOL

Cheers

Richard

and by the way it must be a BIG back yard if a cow droped it ... LOL

:-) Richard

Big Dog

Buggar the pen pushers. If I want to take Damn Dog into the bush then I'll do so. Stuff all this flower stuff.

Not having a go at you, but rather the system.

Regards

Kim

>Domestic pets are excluded for a reason. Namely they WILL disrupt
>the natural system, often in small but significant ways. Their urine
>and faeces will disrupt the lives of small animals. They catch and kill
>small mammals, reptiles and birds. And their droppings will lasy for
>years in a dry environment. Any parasites or diseases in the
>dropping will be introduced to the local animals.

Bit like humans, really?

>And there is always the possiblility of domestic dogs cross breeding
>with the dingoes (that are part of the natural system and they
>-dingoes - ARE entitled to be there).

Dingos are not native to Australia.

Mike Harding

Val, well said.
We have two dogs at home and they stay home where they are most comfortable.

When we go away, I do not want to be hounded by others dogs looking for food (because they are guts') or urinating on my tyres marking their scent trails.

They may not kill native animals but they do harass them. National Parks are declared for a reason. Respect those areas and they will remain that way hopefully for generations to come.

Dogs don't leave bags of rubbish behind, or dirty nappies behind trees, or broken glass & half melted cans in fire places, or rip up the tracks with ridiculously oversize tyres, or allow their kids to ride mini bikes round & round camp sites all day, they don't even play loud music .... so what was the question again??

Dingos have been here for a few thousand years - long enough for other species to adapt to them.

As for humans - when they mess things up too much (which unfortunately some do) then the gates are locked shut. Then we ALL miss out being able to visit and enjoy those special places.

We freely choose to travel with out pets, so we must accept the things that flow from that choice.

Val.

Simple test:

Is the car in the national park? Are you in the national park? Then the dog/cat is in the national park.

But the dog/cat is not allowed in the national park... so work back from that.

If you insist that the dog/cat stays with you, then you have no alternative but to stay out of NPs or our break laws and 4WD ethos.

This will mean planning your trip to fit the choices you have freely made.

Looks like we need some sort of boarding kennel service attached to caravan parks?? Whoops.. might not be popular either.

Hope you find a way to enjoy your trip - suspect it might have to be somewhat complicated - or without pets to see the best.

Best wishes
Chris

Hi,

Ranger told us when they say no pets they mean no pets, don't care if their in the car in a cage or........ They have reasons for most laws even if we don't like them and it sounds like your trying to do the right thing.

As for those that break any rules that don't suit them, I wonder if their the first to complain about generators running, caravans on the road doing less than the speed limit etc etc.

>Ranger told us when they say no pets they mean no pets

That's funny 'cause when I said to a ranger "I know it's no dogs but I have a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel in the vehicle?", he said, "Dog? What dog? :)")

>They have reasons for most laws

Indeed "They" do! And sometimes those reasons are very bad or silly ones.

Mike Harding

Mike,

What's so funny Mike, I do get the jib but won't retaliate because I know it's what your after. Just because that particular ranger decided to break the law, one he's bound to enforce, doesn't mean it's right.

As for all these laws that are very bad or silly that's purely your view and I'd gather most with the same bent have their own list. Sure there are laws that we don't agree with but very, very few of us would ever know the basis of or reasoning behind them being developed.

There are good reasons for rules and regs but more and more people tend to disregard them because they don't agree with them or think their silly. I'm usually pretty tolerant but get pretty bleep off when I try and do the right thing and see others flouting the law simply because they can. From what I've seen they are usually the first to cry foul if caught or if their rights have been stepped on.

Me, I'll simply try to do the right thing, understand there are reasons for rules and laws and be tolerant, even of those that think their the only ones on this planet.

>What's so funny Mike, I do get the jib but won't retaliate because
>I know it's what your after.

Well you've lost me?

I'm simply disagreeing with your basic premise that all laws are good and we should obey laws simply because they exist.

Or do you assert that it is _always_ wrong to break any law, at all, ever? It's an important principle to understand, I think.

Mike Harding

>Ranger told us when they say no pets they mean no pets, don't
>care if their in the car

Your ranger was wrong - certainly for Vic and, I suspect, other states:
NP laws on dogs etc

Mike Harding

>Well you've lost me?

I doubt it Mike but if so not much use explaining.

>I'm simply disagreeing with your basic premise that all laws are good and we should obey laws simply because they exist.

Never said all laws are good just that there are reasons for most of them. As for the second part "and we should obey laws simply because they exist" Naaaah what the heck do as you please I guess that's what seems to be happening nowaday anyway. Seems to be as long as what you do in life doesn't effect you then all's OK on your planet.

>Or do you assert that it is _always_ wrong to break any law, at all, ever? It's an important principle to understand, I think.

Mike, take a chill pill, I don't assert anything I'll leave that to those and their soap boxes. Things do have to be black and white in respect to rules/laws especially when they apply to millions of us and enforced by humans. Interesting concept though. So where does it stop? If I break a law that I think is silly or wrong can the enforcer break another to punish me. Or if someone is wronged by my decision can they do as they please because they also think laws are just silly.

>Your ranger was wrong - certainly for Vic and, I suspect, other states:

Only had a quick look but can't see where I was. The post was can I take a dog through the desert. I guess sure you can if you keep it confined in the car for the entire trip and have to cross that NP to get to a destination. Hate to smell the car after a few days of them answering the call of nature a few times a day. Though in reality no one would honestly do that now would they Mike because why should we comply with silly laws.

Have a great Christmas.

>Have a great Christmas.

You too Austravel and an excellent New Year - may it be better than the old one.

Mike Harding

Thanks Mike, can't see how it could be worse (this one was pretty bad health wise) but as I say it I'm looking over my shoulder :-)

I'm sorry to hear that - you have to stay healthy and positive or I'll have no one to argue with next year! :)

Go well Austravel and leave that old year behind.

Mike Harding

:-))

We really _must_ organise that trip :)

Sad but true.